What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?
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The left has become so focused on illegal immigrants and identity politics that they have abandoned working class economic issues and rural white voters and it has cost them elections.
Are these elections in the room with us right now? Mind naming a single “election” that the left was “lost” over illegal immigrants?
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There has been discussion somewhere in this tree about viability, but the word itself wasn't used. Viability also has another meaning: the potential to someday be able to live outside the womb. I actually think the latter is more important morally speaking than the former. In a reasonable world, I would think that sensible pro-lifers should agree that if the foetus is doomed one way or another, why prevent an abortion?
But viability as you define it doesn't mean much to me. Consider the earliest point at which the foetus is viable (could potentially survive outside the womb), versus the day before that. On the day before, the parent has the option to wait one day, at which point the foetus will become viable. Now compare this with a different situation: for the price of $20, a certain drug can be used to save a foetus' life. Would you agree that in the latter situation, the foetus is already "viable"; it just needs a little help? If you agree with this, and since waiting 1 day is a similar cost on the behalf of the parent as paying $20, this means, the day before the foetus becomes viable, it's already "viable" -- the word has no meaning.
(If you disagree, and you think that the necessity of $20 drugs before the baby becomes viable means that it's okay to abort it, I find that to be a strange morality, and I'd like to learn more. Or perhaps you think there's something fundamentally different between waiting 1 day and paying $20.)
It's the last one, the "wait a day" option and the "pay $20" options aren't equivalent. If it's still a day away from viability, it isn't viable yet, but if it's $20 away, it is. You may be of the opinion that waiting a day isn't a big deal, or is only $20 worth of hardship, but that's not your choice to make for others.
You'd think ending a doomed pregnancy would be a simple matter even for pro-lifers, yes. They often don't consider the issue, or assume that it'll always be clear-cut and obvious in every circumstance, or worry that any exception will be used as a loophole.
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Freedom of speech for absolutely everyone, especially people I disagree with and that disagree with me
I’m surprised you’re not getting downvoted and harassed.
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Im left leaning on many social issues but pronouns was never a necessary social construct hill we needed to die on.
I think that useless fight got us the full hard swing to the right.
Especially because you shouldn't give a fuck about how people perceive you. You should be whoever you are and not care about labels.
Especially because you shouldn’t give a fuck about how people perceive you. You should be whoever you are and not care about labels.
Unfortunately we are social creatures with a need for acceptance and belonging. We can survive without those things, but it isn't really living. Take it from someone who spent most of their life living like a hermit.
Having someone recognize your gender is one of the most basic kinds of acceptance. Social interactions tend to feel pretty hollow and superficial when you know that the other person doesn't know/care who you really are. (Again, ask me how I know
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Especially because you shouldn’t give a fuck about how people perceive you. You should be whoever you are and not care about labels.
Unfortunately we are social creatures with a need for acceptance and belonging. We can survive without those things, but it isn't really living. Take it from someone who spent most of their life living like a hermit.
Having someone recognize your gender is one of the most basic kinds of acceptance. Social interactions tend to feel pretty hollow and superficial when you know that the other person doesn't know/care who you really are. (Again, ask me how I know
)Im sorry but as someone with mental illness or sensitivities myself I dont expect the world around me to bend for them.
Gender dysmorphia is similar no? Feeling deeply something internal that changes that affects a minority of the populace.
Just like my history with my mental illness affects a small populace. Why should the world have to bend to my problems?
And acceptance and integration in society has always been there, especially with the left and especially since before pronouns.
I would never expect the intolerable, ignorant, racist, or cruel people to bend their beliefs for me. Its a waste of my energy to want that.
All I can do is surround myself with people who respect me and create my own little tribe in this sometimes cruel world.
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I think that we just didn't fight the fight very smartly, and in the end it's been weaponized against us.
It could have been as simple as "its okay to express yourself however you want or be whatever you want. You should feel safe to do so and we all have your back."
People transitioning to either gender expression has always been a thing. Changing a language seems unnecessary. However, I think respect is just the core message here. Respect all if they do no harm.
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I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good, and that tribalism and political divisiveness are some of the biggest issues we have to face.
Political differences arise mostly from different values, fears, education (or lack thereof), etc, but most people if you get to know them believe what they do because they believe it is genuinely good. But increasingly politics is focused on vilifying others, instead of trying to understand each other.
How do we tackle those problems you mentioned?
The reason I ask is I support your view here, but recently I’ve been downvoted a lot for having the opinion that I don’t blame people still using Twitter as I believe, like you, that most people are good people and can be reasoned out of what we believe are the wrong beliefs and that staying in those places to converse with them is better than Twitter becoming a right wing place and us chilling here in left wing ideology but at the end of that nobody learns anything they didn’t already know.
The hardest challenge in changing someone’s beliefs is that people don’t want to admit they were wrong or lied to or used or whatever and this makes it challenging if we can’t take out ego out of the equation.
Anecdotal proof that people can change is a YouTuber called JimmyTheGiant and he has mentioned several times how he went down the alt right pipeline but started to question things and now makes left leaning content.
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I’m surprised you’re not getting downvoted and harassed.
Honestly what I'm saying shouldn't be a hot take. Freedom of speech has long been a classical liberal position.
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Also the freedom to punch each other in the sternum
Insane take. We don't have the right to physical violence just for a difference of opinion.
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I'm working on transitioning to using They/Them pronouns for everyone since they're completely neutral and fit every context. If your preference is Xe/Xem, I respect that—but unfortunately, my brain just doesn't have the bandwidth to keep track of multiple pronouns consistently. You get They/Them.
It might be my inner prescriptivist at work, but while I understand the need for a singular they, I absolutely loathe it's accompanied with a singular are. If the language is being reformed, why not take a page out of AAVE and start using "they's" and "you's"? -
How do we tackle those problems you mentioned?
The reason I ask is I support your view here, but recently I’ve been downvoted a lot for having the opinion that I don’t blame people still using Twitter as I believe, like you, that most people are good people and can be reasoned out of what we believe are the wrong beliefs and that staying in those places to converse with them is better than Twitter becoming a right wing place and us chilling here in left wing ideology but at the end of that nobody learns anything they didn’t already know.
The hardest challenge in changing someone’s beliefs is that people don’t want to admit they were wrong or lied to or used or whatever and this makes it challenging if we can’t take out ego out of the equation.
Anecdotal proof that people can change is a YouTuber called JimmyTheGiant and he has mentioned several times how he went down the alt right pipeline but started to question things and now makes left leaning content.
Genuine question, why do you need to change peoples beliefs? Idk I find that 95% of people are pleasant to talk to and share your views with if you just speak with them nicely and try to understand their POV. And that applies to people who I vehemently disagree with.
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Genuine question, why do you need to change peoples beliefs? Idk I find that 95% of people are pleasant to talk to and share your views with if you just speak with them nicely and try to understand their POV. And that applies to people who I vehemently disagree with.
I wouldn’t say I need to, but more I would like to.
If people are voting against their own interests because they have been lied to then don’t we owe it people to try and get them to see how the world works?
If people are hating on immigrants and poor people rather than the class system that is extracting all the wealth from areas then surely having more people onside makes it easier to change the system.
I agree that most people are good people and maybe just misinformed or have had their frustrations weaponised against them.
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I wouldn’t say I need to, but more I would like to.
If people are voting against their own interests because they have been lied to then don’t we owe it people to try and get them to see how the world works?
If people are hating on immigrants and poor people rather than the class system that is extracting all the wealth from areas then surely having more people onside makes it easier to change the system.
I agree that most people are good people and maybe just misinformed or have had their frustrations weaponised against them.
Have you heard of Daryl Davis? Black dude who convicted KKK members to quit just by being friends with them. I think empathy might be the key, I.e. its hard to be homophobic if your friend is gay.
That's the energy I like to approach discourse with. Its harder online but it is possible.
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Insane take. We don't have the right to physical violence just for a difference of opinion.
Who said anything about opinions?
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Have you heard of Daryl Davis? Black dude who convicted KKK members to quit just by being friends with them. I think empathy might be the key, I.e. its hard to be homophobic if your friend is gay.
That's the energy I like to approach discourse with. Its harder online but it is possible.
I have heard of him actually, well I didn’t know his name but I’ve heard about him.
Exactly my point. You can’t expect people to change on their own and it’s on us to try and make the world a better place, as per our morals.
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Who said anything about opinions?
I did. We were talking about freedom of speech, so opinions and beliefs are about the only things people really disagree about to the point of violence with regards to speech.
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I did. We were talking about freedom of speech, so opinions and beliefs are about the only things people really disagree about to the point of violence with regards to speech.
punches you in the sternum
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punches you in the sternum
Why you would do this?
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Why you would do this?
Words make my head hurt
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I'm curious how you square "they live in a bubble" with them being right?
I live in denial that Capitalism is a broken system but that visage is cracking like an egg in egg_irl every minute that passes.
