Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO
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Historically, Accel has never pushed acquisition. On the contrary, they do the opposite. Its why they VC fund over 300 companies, but you've never heard of them. That's not to say they couldn't, but they haven't ever acted in that manner previously so logically it would be safe to assume that trend continues with Tailscale. I think that's important here: its not about ability its about intent. If as a organization you give funding to another organization (even non-profits) you exercise at least some control over them as they are dependent on that money to function. This is actually a point other commenters have made in regards to Headscale. Headscale is maintained by a Tailscale employee. As they fund him personally, they can exercise some control over him as he depends on that money/employment. Again, even their comments circle back to ability vs intent. Tailscale could influence their employee, but would they? That's where a lot of the VC argument goes. Its just speculation as what a group could do, not what they would do.
“The trend” is making money no matter what. That means they’re gonna screw you over eventually, the countdown has already begun, and it’s just a matter of time
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:::....and what are current Plex users, that don't like the direction Plex has taken, doing ? Riding the next horse. When Tailscale gets unbearable with their business practices, there are a lot of other options. Tailscale is just easy and it flippin' works.
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I think that's because both work on Android by being a VPN, and the system can't handle doing two vpns simultaneously
Well not really but most people don’t like manually editing routing tables
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Didnt even work for me, i use mullvad so if i wanted to use tailscale on my android to connect to my desktop, it wants me to disable mullvad unlike on my desktop..
Tailscale offers a paid Mullvad integration, where you can select most Mullvad servers as exit nodes. Works quite well.
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“The trend” is making money no matter what. That means they’re gonna screw you over eventually, the countdown has already begun, and it’s just a matter of time
Is there an actual example you can provide of Accel doing that or is this more an emotionally driven statement you have?
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Is there an actual example you can provide of Accel doing that or is this more an emotionally driven statement you have?
The specific company does not, in fact, matter because VCs have the same set of incentives in the end
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....and what are current Plex users, that don't like the direction Plex has taken, doing ? Riding the next horse. When Tailscale gets unbearable with their business practices, there are a lot of other options. Tailscale is just easy and it flippin' works.
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yellow flag to me (too many ad emails)
Weird. I'm not saying you're lying, but besides the registration email, and onboarding welcome email, I can't think of any others I've received from Tailscale. In fact, I just did a search of my email client, and those were the only ones I've received.
I do believe my experience in this regard is not representative of everyone, I probably failed to untick some checkbox (regarding communications) and the "too many ad emails" are a handful (in 3 months), which to me is a handful too much (having to untick a box should not be necessary)
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a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed
Switch to self-hosting headscale when they enshittify in an attempt to become profitable, duh
I mainly use Tailscale (and Zerotier) to access my CGNATED LAN, headscale will require me to pay a subscription for a VPS wouldn't it?
I really envy the guys who say only use them because they're lazy to open ports or want a more secure approach, I use them because I NEED them lol.
If (when?) Tailscale enshitify I'll stick with ZT a bit until it goes the same way lol, I started using it 1st, I don't know if ZT came before Tailscale though.
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The specific company does not, in fact, matter because VCs have the same set of incentives in the end
So, even if Accel doesn't do that, which they haven't done that, they are still guilty of doing that. Ok, yeah. That's some solid irrefutable logic you got going there. I think I'll go back to arguing this with commenters who are a little less emotional and more grounded in real world points about the topic.
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a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed
Switch to self-hosting headscale when they enshittify in an attempt to become profitable, duh
Bookmarking "headscale"!
I only recently started using Tailscale because it makes connecting to my local network through a Windows VM running in Boxes on Linux a hell of a lot easier than figuring out how to set up a networked bridge.
This sounds like a great alternative, and it looks like it can even work on a Synology NAS.
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What's the benefit over just WG?
WG is worthless in a CGNAT environment... And as we are in 2025 and time doesn't stop it will be irrelevant for everyone someday, unless they fully support IPv6 (which I don't know if they do, if you can use WG in a CGNATED network with IPv6 I'd like to know though, I am very rusty setting it up, but it might worth checking it out).
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Well not really but most people don’t like manually editing routing tables
You can do that? On ordinary, non-rooted Android?
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Nice to hear your experience with Nebula. I considered it when I went with Tailscale years ago. Now you gotta migrate off of lemm.ee as it's shutting down soon.
Yep. It's on the TODO list...
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Just looked at NetBird, it looks suspiciously similar to Tailscale in what it does except they also got an open-source control server. They have self-hosting doc right in their web site. Looks interesting. Can't find much about the company other than it's based in Berlin and it's currently private - Wiretrustee UG.
What's the difference with their open-source control server, from headscale? That it's officially published by the company?
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I mainly use Tailscale (and Zerotier) to access my CGNATED LAN, headscale will require me to pay a subscription for a VPS wouldn't it?
I really envy the guys who say only use them because they're lazy to open ports or want a more secure approach, I use them because I NEED them lol.
If (when?) Tailscale enshitify I'll stick with ZT a bit until it goes the same way lol, I started using it 1st, I don't know if ZT came before Tailscale though.
Same. I mean, I was already looking to rent a VPS, but at least there's some time so I can save money until things get weird.
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Tailscale is great. The principle concern to me is that your super easy mesh network depends on Tailscale so if they want it they have control, and if they change their pricing or options you depend on them, and though they can't see the data you send they can see the topology of your network and where all your computers/devices are.
I use Nebula, which is more work to set up and doesn't have some of the features, not
But if you slap the 'lighthouse' (administrating node) on a cheap VPS it works great. And it has some advantages. But Nebula also troubles me: though it's fully open source and fully in your control, the documentation isn't great. Instead, you can now get "managed nebula", which puts you in the same problem as Tailscale: the company sees and controls your network topology. I fear the company (Defined Networking) is trying to push things that way. Even their android app you can't fully configure unless you use their 'managed' service.For now, Nebula is great, and my preferred mesh network (I looked into all the main ones). And for Tailscale you can run the administration server yourself with Headscale and be fully in your control.
Actually I wish Tailscale the best as a profitable business. They've created a fantastic service and system. But for me, I'd rather my network be in my own hands and for my own eyes. And, as is OP's main point, once they have enough dependent users, the service might turn much worse.
Netbird seemed to go in a similar way, though still good. I want to try zrok next, looks interesting
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if I setup Headscale on my network, I would have to open a port on my router to connect to it right?
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I would have to open a port on my router to connect to it right?
Yes
if I setup Headscale with some cloud provider, could they theoretically go and use the setup to get to my home network?
If they are able to authorize their own node to your Headscale server, then their node gets on your network.
If they take over the Headscale node, they might also be able to access your network, either by changing Headscale's config to auth another node or perhaps if the Headscale node is part of the network, which it might be, I don't recall. But I think that's immaterial. If someone takes over the Headscale machine, they can get on your network either way.So there has to be some trust between you and the cloud provider then. Thank you
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:::So, I don't run the arr stack, or any of it''s components. In fact, I've never even test run Plex. However, I hear that Emby is a better replacement coupled with Symfonium to take the place of PlexAmp. That seems to be the 'next horse' everyone is switching to, even tho Emby does seem to have some unresolved issues.
I just find the constant grind against profitability and capitalism to be a bit worn. I guess you could say I am fully ensconced in capitalism as I run three tax paying, for profit businesses. The issues I take with capitalism is unbridled, uncontrolled greed...when we place profit over principal. By all means tho, make yo' paper son.
These are my opinions. There are many like them, but these ones are mine.
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I do believe my experience in this regard is not representative of everyone, I probably failed to untick some checkbox (regarding communications) and the "too many ad emails" are a handful (in 3 months), which to me is a handful too much (having to untick a box should not be necessary)
That's cool. I don't like spam either. You are correct in that you should have to opt in instead of opt out.
