Sam Altman said startups with only $10 million were 'totally hopeless' competing with OpenAI, DeepSeek's disruption says otherwise
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futatorius@lemm.eereplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
How about that: venture capitalists don't know what's going on in the market any more than anyone else does. They're just arrogant because they have metric shit-tons of money.
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futatorius@lemm.eereplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
...if you get a solution at all.
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futatorius@lemm.eereplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
He sure as shit wasn't a brilliant writer. He was more endowed with the cunning of a proto-Trump huckster-weasel.
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It drastically reduced the minimum buy-in needed to play.
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pachrist@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
There's no way I believe that Deepseek was made for the $5m figure I've seen floating around.
But that doesn't matter. If it cost $15m, $50m, $500m, or even more than that, it's probably worth it to take a dump in Sam Altman's morning coffee.
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reygle@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
I hope that normal people will now realize how full of sh*t he is. They won't, but DON'T TAKE THIS FROM ME
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I don't mind
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drthunder@midwest.socialreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
I wonder what the mildest thing a true AI could tell the oligarchs to do that would make them shut it down. Giving 10% of their wealth away and not in a tax dodge way? Stop funding fascists?
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presidentcamacho@lemm.eereplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
He's not wrong. He was speaking in the implied scope of capitalism. Where u can't do something that cheap because without the ability to hit a huge payout for investors noone will fund you.
We're just seeing that capitalism can't compete with an economy that can produce stuff without making investors rich.
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kandoh@reddthat.comreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
Red lobster went under and these guys still exist
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mojave@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
DeepSeek claimed the model training took 2,788 thousand H800 GPU hours, which, at a cost of $2/GPU hour, comes out to a mere $5.576 million.
That seems impossibly low.
DeepSeek is clear that these costs are only for the final training run, and exclude all other expenses
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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyzreplied to Guest 24 days ago last edited by
This claims only training costs come out to $5M. It doesn't include previous versions (there had to have been multiple attempts before the final one), or salary of the people working on it.
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shirro@aussie.zonereplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
Probably should point out that DeepSeek is owned by a Chinese hedge fund. They specialize in algorithmic trading. Can't get much more capitalist than that. Very happy to see Chinese capitalists release an open source model. No doubt Altman and cronies will seek protection under the guise of national security. I guess free market competition is only good when you are not getting your arse kicked.
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knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
There would have been many other runs before the release version.
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knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
Not just deepseek, but everyone else who is now forking R1 and training for their specific use case.
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rottingleaf@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
Chinese economy is even more capitalist if that's possible.
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spookex@lemmy.worldreplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
I mean, a lot of it is just people who started using chatgpt to do some simple and boring task (writing an email, CV, or summarizing and article) and started thinking that it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I would know that since I'm an university student. I know the limitations of current AI stuff so I can cautiously use it for certain tasks and don't trust the output to be correct. Meanwhile, my friend thought that he was making chatgpt better at answering his multiple choice economics quiz by telling it which of the answers it gave was wrong...
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shepherdpie@midwest.socialreplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
Or you're a government with endless funds at your disposal.
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presidentcamacho@lemm.eereplied to Guest 23 days ago last edited by
Good detail added, I did not know that. But they're still doing so with a much smaller payout than if they tried to compete the way a US capitalist would through a closed source full ownership model.
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