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What is the end game?

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    All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President

    The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.

    And no, compromising our president is NOT the only thing that a foreign actor would have to do. They would have to outmaneuver the entirety of the CIA working to prevent EXACTLY that situation from ever occurring. They would have to somehow stop the CIA from stopping such an agent at every possible step of the way over the past 12 years. You are living in a magical sitcom fantasy land where the bad guys are trying to get the McGuffin and if they do - GAME OVER, MAN. That's not how reality works.

    It’s quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump’s mouth.

    It is interesting. It's almost as if US policy has shifted its position regarding Russia and the president is aligned with that policy.

    how much ‘influence’ we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage)

    You have no idea how influence works, do you. Sure, Trump is a laughing stock. You still can't buy oil from OPEC without USD. Most nations still have billions of dollars in the US economy, and particular in US bonds. Most nations operate under USA-favorable conditions dictated by treaties with USA back with credible threats. US intelligence still operates the 5 Eyes, still runs the terrorist networks all over the world, still educates and trains the world's most deadly death squads. Yes, Trump is a laughing stock and the USA still dominates the globe and EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL LEADER has to consider the USA when choosing their words and their actions.

    The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much ‘influence’ we have - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump

    Pure young adult novel fantasy writing. It's just so incorrect and all the evidence of history shows how incorrect it is. You just can't imagine any other way that US foreign policy would suddenly change and desire an alliance with Russia the only thing you can come up with is a paper doll fantasy.

    Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda

    You do realize that the reason the CIA has a dozen different classifications for information is so that no single person or group ever has 100% of the information required? The agency is organized to survived the constant change of president. It couldn't serve its function otherwise. So yes, Trump has chosen a cabinet of "loyalists". Do you think all of those people are compromised by Russia? Or do you think that they all believe they can get more power if they turn the USA into a vassal of a smaller nation? Or do you think every single one of them is stupid?

    By the by, how did Trump find all these loyalists? What did he offer them and how did they meet? Did Trump's real estate dealings and golf outings put him in touch with these people? Or is there just a huge pool of power brokers out there just waiting to take the world's richest and most powerful country and try to gain more money and power by subjugating such a country to a smaller, weaker, poorer country?

    It's very easy to dismantle your fantasy by considering that other people also have agency and aspirations and asking yourself why anyone would be loyal to Trump if Trump is acting out of complete desperation because he's been compromised and if his choices lead to a worse outcome for the business community and the intelligence community, both of which are communities who assassinate people for far less urgent reasons on a regular basis.

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    More propaganda. Blocking you, now. Tell your Kremlin overseers that you failed to convince at least one person. Have a horrible life, tankie fuckwit.

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    • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

      What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

      Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

      How do these despots think that food arrives?

      At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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      End game is to go on yet another settler genocidal war to appease the imperial core working class.

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        Orange juice

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        • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

          What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

          Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

          How do these despots think that food arrives?

          At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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          The rate of profit continues to decline because of overcapitalization. Factions are aligning to decapitalize rivals in order to increase their own rate of profit.

          Also, they're all manic and dissasociated.

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            I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.

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            Its fascinating that millenarians have now latched on to software developed for fraud and generating non-consensual pornography.

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            • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

              What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

              Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

              How do these despots think that food arrives?

              At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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              When an empire can't expand, by means of territory, knowledge, or other means; it turns inwards on its own people and territories as it races towards its collapse.

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                The government is the only one stopping me from buying a small patch of woodland and building a cabin there to live in. Get rid of that and suddenly I no longer have a reason to work more than a handful of hours a month.

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                How is the government stopping you?

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                • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

                  What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

                  Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

                  How do these despots think that food arrives?

                  At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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                  Paranoia can tell you anything you don't control is a threat - whether it's another country, a race, a personality type, lack of web privacy, whatever. The MAGA leaders are so drenched in that paranoia, there's really no limit to what they might do to squash anyone and anything they see as a possible threat to them.

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                    How is the government stopping you?

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                    It is illegal to do so. You cannot live on your own land for more than 28 days of the year unless they give you permission to live on it. Which of course a house comes with that permission, a patch of woodland does not.

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                      It is illegal to do so. You cannot live on your own land for more than 28 days of the year unless they give you permission to live on it. Which of course a house comes with that permission, a patch of woodland does not.

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                      Can you live in a tent, yurt, van or other non-permanent structure?

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                        I apologize because I did not mean to make any sort of personal attack. If it came across that way that is entirely my fault.

                        If I can clarify in hopefully neutral terms, what I meant to say is that believing with certainty that 7 billion people are facing violent death within a generation or two cannot be good for anyone’s mental state and that sort of doom weighing on a mind will likely affect cause it many problems. It was not intended to be an attack on you, mainly an observation on the idea from my very limited point of view.

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                        I wrote some long explanation but accidentally clicked on a link and lost it. Oh well. You are still doing the thing. It might be beneficial for you to learn about the range and types of functional thought that exist in various personalities.

                        Someone that is very abstracted in functional thought can be one of the outliers that is difficult for some to understand. I'm driven by curiosity, but comfortable relying on intuition heavily. I think in something like a statistical space without absolutes of right and wrong, just probabilities and contexts. I'm motivated by curiosity and exploration in many contexts. My emotions are disconnected from this space of curious exploration.

                        When I put the pieces together to state WW3 is very likely, I'm in a mindset like watching Magnus Carlson play a game of chess and making educated predictions about how he will play the next 3 moves. I am not playing the game and I have no emotional investment like the opposing player. You could ask me how I feel, but that is not part of my default thought process.

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                          I doubt AI will ever have it's own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.

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                          Why would it waste resources doing these unnecessary tasks?

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                          • B [email protected]

                            I don’t see how you can possibly be certain about this. The push to fight abortion rights and the constant bitching about how people aren’t having enough babies to maintain the workforce undermines this theory.

                            Unless you’re completely convinced that this is the future and the reason for it, I’d strongly suggest against stating it so certainly on the internet. Asking a question about it or stating it as a possibility given certain factors makes sense, but the way you said this can’t be good for your mental health, or the mental health of the people who read it.

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                            "Abortion debate" and all other culture warfare is only to keep the masses busy fighting each other so they don't engage the rich in class warfare.

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                            • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

                              What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

                              Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

                              How do these despots think that food arrives?

                              At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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                              President Muskrate is an accelerationist; who believes that societal collapse should come sooner rather than later. Some speculate that his plan is to capitalise on burgeoning AI along with the billionaire class to control people once the dust settles.

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                              • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

                                What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

                                Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

                                How do these despots think that food arrives?

                                At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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                                It's a coalition of crazy. It isn't entirely clear who is going to be in control of what or for how long. It could get very messy.

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                                  "Abortion debate" and all other culture warfare is only to keep the masses busy fighting each other so they don't engage the rich in class warfare.

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                                  So are you saying that having a large workforce isn’t key to keeping the rich rich? Because if you ask me losing 7 billion people would be a fairly large cutback in the workforce

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                                    • vk6flab@lemmy.radioV [email protected]

                                      What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?

                                      Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?

                                      How do these despots think that food arrives?

                                      At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.

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                                      Oligarchs replace most government functions with private entities that they have equity in and funnel tax dollars into their own companies. It looks like they're trying to cause a depression too, so they can buy everything up for cheap (farms, homes, etc). I think they're stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize an economic depression coupled with gutting social safety nets will lead to massive crime waves and riots; so I'm guessing they're planning on a police state and work camps for people they arrest (think that's what they're going to do with many of the immigrants too).

                                      I've heard it postulated they are realigning with Russia and other dictators because we'd lose our normal allies if we became such a society. And they probably have very lucrative deals with Russia as well.

                                      I sucks we don't have a good, inspiring opposition party or something to lead or rally around. Without that, anger will just manifest as unorganized, unproductive riots and violence. "Conservatives" are still pretty brainwashed too; believing whatever they're told by media. They will support the government gunning down and enslaving "criminals," at this point in time. I'd hope that changes when things get hard, but media will work hard to redirect the blame.

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                                        Can you live in a tent, yurt, van or other non-permanent structure?

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                                        Not for more than 28 days of the year. Non-consecutive isn't a way around that. People have tried and some do get away with it but others get caught and usually any structure has to be demolished and land seized.

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                                        • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

                                          Why would it waste resources doing these unnecessary tasks?

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                                          Maybe you won't, but make no mistake, that's the kind of people we are dealing with. They have everything they ever wanted, now the only way to feel even more superior is to take everything they can from us.

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