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Are there people that are otherwise logical but drop their skepticism when it comes to l religion? How do they consolidate those 2 sides of themselves?

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      veritassium did a video replicating a FASCINATING study that proves that logical people get dramatically less logical when they encounter facts that contradicts their deeply held beliefs; they get even less logical that "non-logical" people

      so they don't consolidate the 2 sides of themselves; instead they apply their logic to the things that they don't care much about and get less logical on the subjects/topic that they care more about it.

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        Wait, there's more: Some people are skeptical even of religion, yet still practice a religion.

        We reconcile that by:

        • admitting that we can't make sense of everything

        • recognizing that many of the ways our religion interacts with reality are aspirational rather than descriptive

        • rejecting dogma

        • choosing to persevere in doubt rather than cling to false certainty

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          What if I were to propose to you that there's no way to prove that matter comes before consciousness? For all you know, everything exists inside consciousness but most people believe matter is the prior condition. This is pure logic. But when it's brought up to science minded people, they tend to get very uppity about it.

          Beliefs be like that.

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            veritassium did a video replicating a FASCINATING study that proves that logical people get dramatically less logical when they encounter facts that contradicts their deeply held beliefs; they get even less logical that "non-logical" people

            so they don't consolidate the 2 sides of themselves; instead they apply their logic to the things that they don't care much about and get less logical on the subjects/topic that they care more about it.

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            Man brains are so weird. Thank you for that video!

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              Wait, there's more: Some people are skeptical even of religion, yet still practice a religion.

              We reconcile that by:

              • admitting that we can't make sense of everything

              • recognizing that many of the ways our religion interacts with reality are aspirational rather than descriptive

              • rejecting dogma

              • choosing to persevere in doubt rather than cling to false certainty

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              Can I ask what religion you practice and what drives you to continue?

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                What if I were to propose to you that there's no way to prove that matter comes before consciousness? For all you know, everything exists inside consciousness but most people believe matter is the prior condition. This is pure logic. But when it's brought up to science minded people, they tend to get very uppity about it.

                Beliefs be like that.

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                I see where you're drawing the correlation because we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of higher powers the same as I can't tell you whether you are brain floating in amniotic fluid running through a simulation. People approaching philosophical questions usually reach an impasse because that is the nature of philosophy.

                But a religious person would be more akin to someone telling you that they know we are in fact floating brains powering an AI civilization. They can't provide you with solid proof but you are incorrect if you think otherwise.

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                  Man brains are so weird. Thank you for that video!

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                  the part that's weird to me is that "non-logical" people are always equally non-logical and they're always the same whether it's something they care deeply about or not.

                  they never have to wonder about consolidating. lol

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                    Man brains are so weird. Thank you for that video!

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                    'Man brains' is different to 'Man, brains'.

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                      the part that's weird to me is that "non-logical" people are always equally non-logical and they're always the same whether it's something they care deeply about or not.

                      they never have to wonder about consolidating. lol

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                      Ignorance is bliss right?

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                        'Man brains' is different to 'Man, brains'.

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                        Man: Brains are so Weird

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                          Can I ask what religion you practice and what drives you to continue?

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                          I'm Christian, Episcopalian. What drives me to continue practicing? There's a lot of things:

                          Socially, I enjoy the sense of community that comes with being an active member of a congregation, and it provides both a reminder to and a venue for giving back in the form of volunteering and charity.

                          Personally, I appreciate the rhythm it gives to my weeks and years, with specific times set aside for joy and grief, reflection and action, uncomfortable growth and quiet recovery.

                          Spiritually, I draw both comfort and strength from my relationship with God; whether or not this is a spiritual sort of "rubber ducking" doesn't change how it affects me.

                          Morally, I think the example of Christ is a good one to follow, and again, that doesn't really depend on Him being a real historical figure.

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                            I'm Christian, Episcopalian. What drives me to continue practicing? There's a lot of things:

                            Socially, I enjoy the sense of community that comes with being an active member of a congregation, and it provides both a reminder to and a venue for giving back in the form of volunteering and charity.

                            Personally, I appreciate the rhythm it gives to my weeks and years, with specific times set aside for joy and grief, reflection and action, uncomfortable growth and quiet recovery.

                            Spiritually, I draw both comfort and strength from my relationship with God; whether or not this is a spiritual sort of "rubber ducking" doesn't change how it affects me.

                            Morally, I think the example of Christ is a good one to follow, and again, that doesn't really depend on Him being a real historical figure.

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                            Sounds like a hobby

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                              Also looking at religion as a social phenomenon vs something supernatural . Some people can enjoy the ceremony and community and drop all the dogma. I know I'm an atheist but still enjoy Christmas , Hanukkah, Vesak, Diwali. Nice thing about not being tied to the dogma means you can pick and chose what you like.

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                                What if I were to propose to you that there's no way to prove that matter comes before consciousness? For all you know, everything exists inside consciousness but most people believe matter is the prior condition. This is pure logic. But when it's brought up to science minded people, they tend to get very uppity about it.

                                Beliefs be like that.

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                                This proves god how?

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                                  This proves god how?

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                                  Do you think Christianity and the western idea of God is the only one in existence?

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                                    I see where you're drawing the correlation because we can neither prove nor disprove the existence of higher powers the same as I can't tell you whether you are brain floating in amniotic fluid running through a simulation. People approaching philosophical questions usually reach an impasse because that is the nature of philosophy.

                                    But a religious person would be more akin to someone telling you that they know we are in fact floating brains powering an AI civilization. They can't provide you with solid proof but you are incorrect if you think otherwise.

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                                    No but the latter is what science-minded people do. They insist that matter comes before consciousness without being able to prove it, though what's extremely obvious in everyone's direct experience is that consciousness is needed before anything else is said about the world. It's a false status quo.

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                                      I'm Christian, Episcopalian. What drives me to continue practicing? There's a lot of things:

                                      Socially, I enjoy the sense of community that comes with being an active member of a congregation, and it provides both a reminder to and a venue for giving back in the form of volunteering and charity.

                                      Personally, I appreciate the rhythm it gives to my weeks and years, with specific times set aside for joy and grief, reflection and action, uncomfortable growth and quiet recovery.

                                      Spiritually, I draw both comfort and strength from my relationship with God; whether or not this is a spiritual sort of "rubber ducking" doesn't change how it affects me.

                                      Morally, I think the example of Christ is a good one to follow, and again, that doesn't really depend on Him being a real historical figure.

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                                      Did you grow up religious? Or maybe more specifically, did you grow up around this religious group and established connections young?

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                                        Also looking at religion as a social phenomenon vs something supernatural . Some people can enjoy the ceremony and community and drop all the dogma. I know I'm an atheist but still enjoy Christmas , Hanukkah, Vesak, Diwali. Nice thing about not being tied to the dogma means you can pick and chose what you like.

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                                        I think a lot of people wouldn't consider you religious if you just do it for the social aspect

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                                          Doublethink, bro. Doublethink.

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