Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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Seeing the replies in this thread it kinda makes me wonder what Plex actually has to do for these zealots to quit using their platform.
Like do they literally have to steal naked pictures of you and pass them around the office? Like wtf.
I'm slowly building up Jellyfin to replace it.
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No, the bans stem from the EULA.
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This TOS will take effect (or re-take effect) at the (and each) time you begin installing, accessing, or using the Plex Solution, WHICHEVER IS EARLIEST, and is effective until terminated as set forth below. Plex reserves the right to terminate this TOS at any time on reasonable grounds, which shall specifically include, without limitation, discontinuation of the Plex Solution (or related services) as an offering of the Plex business, nonpayment, termination of account, fraudulent or unlawful activity, or actions or omissions that violate this TOS, subject to the survival rights of certain provisions identified below. In addition, Plex shall have the right to take appropriate administrative and/or legal action in the event of breach or (alleged) criminal activity, including alerting legal authorities, as it deems necessary in its sole discretion.
When using the Plex Solution in accordance with the foregoing license, you shall not directly or indirectly (a) use the Plex Solution to create any service, software or documentation that performs substantially the same functionality as the Plex Solution, (b) disassemble, decompile, reverse-engineer, or use any other means to attempt to discover any source code, algorithms, trade secrets, or applications underlying the Plex Solution or any of its tools, content, or features, (c) encumber, sublicense, transfer, distribute, rent, lease, time-share, or use the Plex Solution in any service bureau arrangement or otherwise for the benefit of any third party, (d) adapt, combine, create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Plex Solution, (e) disable, circumvent, or otherwise avoid or undermine any security device, mechanism, protocol, or procedure implemented in the Plex Solution, (f) use or access the Plex Solution for any unlawful, fraudulent, deceptive, tortious, malicious, or otherwise harmful or injurious purpose, (g) remove, obscure, deface, or alter any proprietary rights notices on any element of the Plex Solution or accompanying documentation, or (h) use the Plex Solution in any manner which could damage, disable, overburden, or impair the Plex Solution or interfere with any third party’s authorized use of the Plex Solution.
:::But maybe you don't care about any of that shit, either? Idk man the list of things you're dismissing as unimportant is really adding up.
Plex already knows the stuff you are worried about. The SSO has nothing to do with it. Plex doesn’t need data from Google to know, they already have your personal information.
Jellyfin has zero idea who I am or what accounts/IPs access my server, nor do they know what's a part of my media catalogue or if they are legally licensed to me. If I were to use google's SSO, then google would know which accounts/IP's are accessing my server, which isn't a huge deal by itself, but if jellyfin were to have information about my entire account and library then it would suddenly be a very big issue.
But Plex does know what's on your account, and they do limit the number of authenticated users of the account as a part of their TOS and through limitations surrounding their paid plex pass, and they have exercised their right to terminate accounts and pass personal information of infringers along to law enforcement and copyright holders. None of which is even a remote possibility with a completely self-hosted solution. But hey, if you're happy then more power to ya.
You are correct, I don't care about any of that either. And I know about the boilerplate. Bud.
You need to agree with yourself about what you're arguing. Are you saying that the problem is the SSO or Plex?
Because if Plex will go tell on you it will do it based on the data they have internally, not based on any data captured by the login flow, so the SSO is not additional issue compared to using Plex without the Google login and using the email login instead.
And if you're arguing that the SSO is the problem and not Plex which you indignantly reminded me is what the thread was about, then you're arguing against yourself, because it sure seems we agree that if Plex is going to take any action against you illegally sharing files through their system (which, by the way, they are legally obligated to do) it won't be due to the Google login at all, which is just a bit of convenience and doesn't seem to provide anybody with any data they don't already have.
Once again, you are super keen on playing up hypotheticals. Once again, the biggest issue with those hypotheticals is that Plex boots me out... of Plex. I am not doing anything illegal with it or even breaching their EULA, including the paragraphs you quote (not that something being written down in an EULA makes it applicalbe, but still). I will bite that bullet and live with Jellyfin's implementation if and when that happens. Which it likely won't.
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Then how did you use Plex? Did you even RTFM?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Since I originally started using it on my everyday use Windows PC via an exe, no I did not hahahaha. Now I have it running in Open Media Vault on my NAS.
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The issue is their approach to security. I don't trust them to properly secure their software, since they have proven to prefer client compatibility over security.
Understandable. I don't worry that much myself since I haven't heard anything bad happening yet. And with ro rights to media, potential damage at least should be pretty limited.
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Relevant XKCD: https://www.xkcd.com/743/
America always does what's right, after they've tried everything else. - Someone
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content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners
That is a honey pot rights holders will be falling over themselves to pay Plex for access to once they hear about it.
Been telling anyone that would listen that they need to get out of Plex since they implemented that first iteration of trying to require you to sign into your own self hosted server with a Plex.tv account. They were telegraphing what direction they were going in with that kind of user hostile move.
Lots of responses about how it was easy to get around so no big deal (or worse that they liked it for some coping mechanism reason) and that nothing else was as easy and feature rich as Plex so it was worth it.
Well now a few years down the road from that they are now going to use that beach head on everyone's Plex server they can to collect what is being watched and sell it to the highest bidder.
I joined Plex after I already needed to have a login to plex.tv to be able to stream. I understand that that already was problematic, but Plex was leagues ahead of its competition in terms of ease of adding users, as well as polish. You must be forgetting how awful Jellyfin was in comparison, even just 5 years ago. I've been keeping up on Jellyfin and it's amazing how far they've come. Now Jellyfin has great theme options, a simple-to-install skip intro/outro plugin, an app option with built-in jellyseerr integration, decent collections support (still needs some work here on feature parity with Plex, but it's on the way) and with Wizarr, onboarding new users is as easy as sending an invite link, just like Plex. All this came in the last 5 years, and were pretty much requirements for my use cases.
Sure you can say that I'm picky, but Plex really was the best option until like, this year. I started to accept the need to switch when they added the social media aspect to it. They completely ignored what their users actually wanted. Since then, they've been making worse and worse decisions, which is crazy because now more than ever their competition has reached their level. Hell, by pushing all their users away, Plex is only going to accelerate the development on Jellyfin.
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Why should it be possible for the user to erroneously set the software so that scanning a library would grind the whole thing to a halt?
You've been extremely vague about what the actual issue was, and the details you HAVE given are often contradictory. I'm getting so tired of this cat and mouse game. Fine, yea. Maybe they should have anticipated your specific use case, and everyone else just got lucky with their config not causing the issue you're so sure is their fault.
Jellyfin’s interface to add live TV channels
It isn't designed for that but nice of them to enable you to do it anyway
its overcustomizable tools for skinning (which are needed because the base skin is pretty plain)
This is an outdated complaint, but also fuck them for giving you the option to customize the look, I guess?
the convoluted requirements for remote access
That's just what remote hosting entails, bud. Nice of plex to hand hold you through the process but it comes at the cost of privacy. It's easy enough to access via VPN though, or I guess you can expose your home network but doing that without knowing what you're doing puts you and all your data at risk. Idk how you're accessing any of your other services though.
the overly strict library parsing paired with the default choice being to keep data stored within the library
I have no idea what this means but I suspect it's an outdated gripe. Setting up library scans is as straightforward as plex, or at least it is now.
I briefly tried to get books working on it
It's not designed for that but good of them to make it so you could do that anyway
You can get as condescending as you want, but those are all major UX blockers for key use cases
Lmao, what?! Weren't you just telling me some people just want something that lets them stream their media to their tv without a hard drive plugged in? And now using it for ebooks is a 'basic UX block'? GTFO lmao
I've been vague about the details because you are digging your heels into an argument about a one week test run I did a while ago on a piece of software that didn't do what I wanted. "My use case" was "go in there and scrape my video library" on a default install.
The reason I even tried to plug in live IPTV, by the way, is that people made a big deal of Plex's obsession pushing for it, since they plug it in by default and have their own default list of channels pre-baked. Even if I don't use it much on Plex, and I really don't, it was an interesting test case for how the two pieces of software handle their extra options. For all the crap Plex got for trying to become Netflix, and I do agree it's a fool's errand, it was a depressing reminder of how commercial software and OSS often handle UX differently.
Oh, and if the implication is that Jellyfin got itself a better default skin, then good for them, but I saw the interface not that long ago and it still looked pretty grim. And yeah, screw them for letting me customize it. That's bad. Entirely reskinning software is a bad feature that adds next to nothing but complexity if you have good designers make a good UI in the first place. It's fine to have as an extra, but it should either be very well packaged or waaaay out of the way for power users. The average user shouldn't have to think about it. Turning on dark mode, maybe, and even that would be a disappointing omission of a "take system setting" option as a default. UX IS important.
And no, I refuse to concede that self-hosting entails annoying, convoluted setups. There are multiple commercial solutions to this that are different degrees of "better than nothing". At ground level plenty of routers or self-hosted products will one-click set up a VPN for you, which is not great but at least works around the issue. On the other end it's a remote service provider managing your remote access and then yeah, there's data form you leaking elsewhere, but that as an option is at least useful. It's not just pure corpo closed source like Plex, either. Home Assistant's for-profit arm will gladly take your subscription money and handle remote access for you. Whether you trust them more or less than Google (or not at all and want to set up yourself) is up to you.
Also, again, I checked this a while ago, but given how many other people are up and down this thread claiming (and not being disputed) that Jellyfin is still less fire-and-forget for parsing, I don't know how "outdated" that is. You should ping the two separate people who recommended third party software to scrub media libraries so they'd work with Kodi/Jellyfin and explain to them that this is now entirely unnecessary.
And I didn't say that ebooks were "a basic UX block" (although it sucking did make me go for a Plex/Komga setup, not a Plex/Jellyfin setup, so... I guess it is on that front). I gave you a list. I'm not going back to Jellyfin just to verify that you're obviously wrong about it all having been perfectly fixed up to Plex's standards, because I'm pretty sure the bunch of people saying the opposite all over this thread aren't making it up.
UX matters. Jellyfin's UX is much, much worse than Plex's. I wish it wasn't, but it was bad enough when I tried it to push me away and a whole bunch of people here are claiming the same thing. Being delusional about the quality of the implementation doesn't make it better.
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Just downloaded Jellyfin! Been a Plex user for years. Noticed they’ve stated to add a lot of crap to the Plex interface. I just want to stream my media library. I’m a little disappointed that Jellyfin doesn’t have a native Apple TV app, but SenPlayer looks really nice and their price model is a one time fee. So no subscriptions!
Infuse is also very good !
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I would probably still want to use Plex due to its superior interface, despite this shit they are pulling. But Plex on my TV is so UNBELIEVABLY slow. I have a large library, like almost 14 TB and still growing. But there's no reason it should take almost a minute (or more than?) for the first content to show after starting the app.
Jellyfin with the same library takes mere seconds before I see the first movie/episode poster cards. It's inexcusable how poorly optimized Plex is.
sounds like a poorly optimized system tbh. My Plex instance loads within a few seconds. on roku, android, and web.
keep in mind I'm using nginx caching and some advanced configs.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/On no, an opt out, such a tragedy.
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Nothing is ever truly free in this world. They gotta pay their bills too.
why you gotta bring reason and logic to this jellyfin orgy?
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I generally agree with you and its what I did, but why do i need yet another device plugged in, draining power all the time? I dont want to leave an even larger co2 footprint and software support on existing hardware could aid in that. The android box is a workaround, not a green enough solution in my opinion.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because of proprietary garbage, copyright law and enshittification. Sony wants you to use the software its bribers pay it to support, another symptom of our dystopian, profiteering world.
I sometimes think Jellyfin gets on Roku devices because none of the little snots at Roku's corporate office have taken notice, fallen through the cracks and forgotten about.
If it's any benefit to you, the Android box being Android allows it to sip power at an LED bulb's level of efficiency when it's idle.
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It works pretty well for me personally. What was the problem?
The guide (or lack thereof) and UX was severely lacking.
Have you used a tuner on Plex?
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You struggled to set up Jellyfin with docker?
Damn
Don’t be smug.
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I use the Kodi plugin for Jellyfin
wrote last edited by [email protected]I have absolutely no experience with Jellyfin, what does the Kodi plugin do?
Or do you mean you have the Jellyfin addon installed in Kodi, so you can accsess Jellyfin from within Kodi?
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I've been vague about the details because you are digging your heels into an argument about a one week test run I did a while ago on a piece of software that didn't do what I wanted. "My use case" was "go in there and scrape my video library" on a default install.
The reason I even tried to plug in live IPTV, by the way, is that people made a big deal of Plex's obsession pushing for it, since they plug it in by default and have their own default list of channels pre-baked. Even if I don't use it much on Plex, and I really don't, it was an interesting test case for how the two pieces of software handle their extra options. For all the crap Plex got for trying to become Netflix, and I do agree it's a fool's errand, it was a depressing reminder of how commercial software and OSS often handle UX differently.
Oh, and if the implication is that Jellyfin got itself a better default skin, then good for them, but I saw the interface not that long ago and it still looked pretty grim. And yeah, screw them for letting me customize it. That's bad. Entirely reskinning software is a bad feature that adds next to nothing but complexity if you have good designers make a good UI in the first place. It's fine to have as an extra, but it should either be very well packaged or waaaay out of the way for power users. The average user shouldn't have to think about it. Turning on dark mode, maybe, and even that would be a disappointing omission of a "take system setting" option as a default. UX IS important.
And no, I refuse to concede that self-hosting entails annoying, convoluted setups. There are multiple commercial solutions to this that are different degrees of "better than nothing". At ground level plenty of routers or self-hosted products will one-click set up a VPN for you, which is not great but at least works around the issue. On the other end it's a remote service provider managing your remote access and then yeah, there's data form you leaking elsewhere, but that as an option is at least useful. It's not just pure corpo closed source like Plex, either. Home Assistant's for-profit arm will gladly take your subscription money and handle remote access for you. Whether you trust them more or less than Google (or not at all and want to set up yourself) is up to you.
Also, again, I checked this a while ago, but given how many other people are up and down this thread claiming (and not being disputed) that Jellyfin is still less fire-and-forget for parsing, I don't know how "outdated" that is. You should ping the two separate people who recommended third party software to scrub media libraries so they'd work with Kodi/Jellyfin and explain to them that this is now entirely unnecessary.
And I didn't say that ebooks were "a basic UX block" (although it sucking did make me go for a Plex/Komga setup, not a Plex/Jellyfin setup, so... I guess it is on that front). I gave you a list. I'm not going back to Jellyfin just to verify that you're obviously wrong about it all having been perfectly fixed up to Plex's standards, because I'm pretty sure the bunch of people saying the opposite all over this thread aren't making it up.
UX matters. Jellyfin's UX is much, much worse than Plex's. I wish it wasn't, but it was bad enough when I tried it to push me away and a whole bunch of people here are claiming the same thing. Being delusional about the quality of the implementation doesn't make it better.
wrote last edited by [email protected]a one week test run I did a while ago on a piece of software that didn’t do what I wanted.
Ok, well then why the fuck are you insisting that it's evidence of poor software design? Are you really bitching about it slugging your system without even looking at what the default settings were, let alone looking to see if they were appropriate for your setup? Like jesus christ, you can't even play a typical PC game without tweeking your video settings these days, and yet somehow a self-hosted open-source app is supposed to just guess what your setup is?
I’m not going back to Jellyfin just to verify that you’re obviously wrong about it all having been perfectly fixed up to Plex’s standards
yea, lowkey fuck plex standards. I'd sooner use a cheese grater as a razor than go back to that POS
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I will not make myself the tech guy for half my friends and family, just because I can't share Jellyfin safely without a vpn
wrote last edited by [email protected]That's fair but tailscale isn't a traditional vpn, it makes direct connections between two devices. it was also designed to be extremely easy to setup and it's free for up to 100 devices.
Again it's fair if you don't want to mess with it
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Apparently all your friends and family are comfortable with hostnames and ip addresses.
I mean pretty much everyone I know uses web browsers and sometimes type in web addresses lol
You seem a little out of touch with how people think.
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I looked at Infuse, but as soon as I saw it was a subscription I decided no. They have a lifetime option but I don’t trust those anymore. If it’s good software with a one time fee of $40 or less, I’m there, but anything $10/month or $100 lifetime is a dealbreaker for me.
Edit: I totally misread the price. It’s a way more reasonable $12.99/year not what I said above
wrote last edited by [email protected]That’s reasonable. I’ve had pretty good experience with infuse over the years and I don’t mind paying for it. If I’m constantly using it, I feel like devs oughta get something out of it.
Edit: you made me go check my subscription. It’s only $10 billed yearly which I think is more than reasonable for something I use almost every day. If they stop developing the application or something changes then I just won’t be paying the subscription anymore. It’s not a necessary thing for jellyfin on Apple TV. It’s just one of the ones that I’ve really come back to over the years as a good video player in general.
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I don't know why everyone in the selfhosting community still even mentions Plex or uses it.
It's closed source, not free; Jellyfin is a no brainer yet people still go to Plex??
wrote last edited by [email protected]Jellyfins UI being only mouse based is garbage. Using it on Xbox for instance is terrible. Using it outside of the house is also a pain in the ass.
