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Greta Thunberg departs Israel on flight to Paris after detention aboard aid ship

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  • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

    https://openyls.law.yale.edu/bitstream/handle/20.500.13051/8684/43_101YaleLJ893_1991_1992_.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

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    Outside the blockade area and on the high seas,34 belligerents relied on the practice of "visit and search"3s to stop vessels suspected of carrying "con-traband" to the enemy.36 A belligerent warship sailing on the high seas had the right to visit and search all merchant vessels. Merchants found carrying enemy contraband were captured and escorted to the belligerent's nearest home port. The belligerent nation's prize court then determined the fate of the captured ship and cargo.37 In cases where merchants resisted either capture or visit and search, the blockading force was entitled to pursue and, if neces-sary, damage or destroy the vessel to force the ship to submit.

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    belligerents today continue to enforce blockades from long distance or through blockade zones. They do so because of three twentieth-century developments in maritime warfare: first, the growing importance to belligerents of conducting economic warfare in conjunction with armed con-flict;s3 second, the introduction of a large array of new weapons to the maritime battlefield; and third, the proliferation of modern weapons to less powerful nations incapable of conducting traditional blockade. In combination, these three developments have forced states to replace traditional blockade form with long-distance blockade or blockade zones.

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    No, source for it being the oldest part.

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      That assumes the blockade is legal though? Has an international court that is recognized by the ship’s flag country declared the legality of the blockade?

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      I don’t know of a court ruling. The UN‘s Palmer Report declared it Legal.

      However as with lots of things regarding international law, there are different opinions.

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        By an act of piracy and kidnapping in international waters.

        you might disagree with what's happening but this was legal. Israel has a blockade there

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        It's a really good example of how abuse and evil can often be legal while doing what's right can often be illegal.

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          I honestly didn't expect her to survive this one. She made it publicly known what she was doing so Israel couldn't say it was a normal bombing of transport ships. But I figured they would use her as an example and destroy the ship.

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          • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

            Israel has told the flotilla repeatedly they can deliver the aid through the proper channels and the port of Ashdod.

            The small amount of captured aid from the freedom flotilla is being delivered to Gaza by Israel at the moment.

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            Correct, they hadn't entered the area yet though so they technically heeded their warning.

            Stolen, if you take something from someone and dispense it as your own you're guilty of theft and conversion something they say Hamas does with aid. And moreover delivering aid doesn't negate the whole unlawful boarding, seizure and forcible human trafficking thing.

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            • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

              The flotilla was told several times to turn around or be detained. They decided to not turn around and continued on their intended course to breach the naval blockade.

              According to international maritime law Israel can intercept and detain before they enter.

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              Notice you never said they did breach the blockade which btw by international law they have to be given time and allowed to leave even if they enter without permission which they didn't do nor is Israel claiming they did.

              Intercept and detain yes, board, seizur, deport and treat as their own... No because duh.

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              • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                Gaza is under a declared blockade, Maritime Law (the oldest of international law) allows detaining any ship bound for a blockaded port. It's really cut and dry, they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port. It's not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area, these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

                International law is an agreement between nations and doesn't actually restrict nations from doing things that will hurt your feelings. You're going down the sovcit path when you pretend international law is whatever you want it to be.

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                they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port.

                Not illegal.

                which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

                Not detain and seize, maritime law is very specific in that a blockade cannot block aid unreasonably. A super famous ship you've searched that's filled solely with celebrities and aid is something you shouldn't turn away so long as they accept security arrangements like boarding and searching. This isn't star wars nor are they the trade union and total blockades like your implying are very illegal as defined by the law you're sourcing.

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                • harmsy@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                  If you want to get food aid into Gaza, it might be best to smuggle it in using drones or cartel subs.

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                  Or send Greta Thunberg on a decoy ship!

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                    I'm so happy she survived! They where smart enough to let her live!

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                    • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                      I don’t know of a court ruling. The UN‘s Palmer Report declared it Legal.

                      However as with lots of things regarding international law, there are different opinions.

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                      Icj in 2024 said it was illegal. They wasn't even intercepted in gaza water. No matter how you look at it it was illegal.

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                        Did she ever accomplish anything other than going to places getting arrested and changing absolutely nothing?

                        What is her job? Going around the world with seemingly unlimited funds and giving some interviews? Just sounds like a Kardashian with extra steps.

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                        Raising awerness . Many protests was organized after that

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                          She helped a few, and that is more than anyone could say about you.

                          I donate to unicef so I guess I did the same as her without the free trips and celebrity status, where is my Nobel?

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                          You are lying about donating to unicef

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                            Y'all are delusional trying to make 'kidnapping" a thing 🤣

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                            They was jailed for navigating on internal water. It is illegal therefore it's abduction

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                              It's a blockade for a war zone. Standard practice for centuries, unless they just shoot you which was the previous option for most of humanity.

                              Now let's get pedantic and have someone screech that Israel doesn't recognize Palestine and it's not a war so no blockade 🙄

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                              The blockade is illegal and israel didn't do it job to allow enough food and aid to enter which is an obligation. They are even shooting people seeking aid

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                                Yeah it's real typical for kidnappings to be publicly known, announced in advance and then the victim safetly returned promptly, entirely unharmed. Im sure you can fram it as a kidnapping with some backflips, but you just look like a whiny child.
                                She was captured and held unlawfully sure, but if it was actually for humanitarian aid and not self publicity, i might have some sympathy.

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                                She was kidnapped then released while other are still in jail for doing nothing illegal

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                                  I honestly didn't expect her to survive this one. She made it publicly known what she was doing so Israel couldn't say it was a normal bombing of transport ships. But I figured they would use her as an example and destroy the ship.

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                                  One person on board with her is a European Union member of parliament from France. That provides a lot more protection than Greta's reputation can.

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                                    Israel does not feel a need to hide their crimes because they believe any action they take is righteous because they are doing it and any action their enemies take is evil because they are doing it

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                                    Becuase thy know the whole world won't do anything

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                                    • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                                      The flotilla was told several times to turn around or be detained. They decided to not turn around and continued on their intended course to breach the naval blockade.

                                      According to international maritime law Israel can intercept and detain before they enter.

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                                      No they can't especially when the blockade is illegal

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                                        Where are all the people telling me she was goinf to be tortured and killed now?

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                                        Celebrities don't get that kind of treatment.

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                                        • samskara@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

                                          Humanitarian aid is getting in through land borders into Gaza.

                                          Gaza doesn’t have a port suitable for delivering large amounts of goods in the first place. Aid delivery has to go through the proper channels.

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                                          Don't you mean the illegal channel controlled by thr occupying force

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