Signal's CEO: Then We're Leaving Sweden | Sweden Herald
-
Uuh... Ok? How is that relevant?
The news is about a proposed law in Sweden, not Switzerland.
-
Nice PR move, but when do you announce leaving the US, which is the much bigger issue right now?
ISP blocking, probably not, but yes ISPs can block Signal by blocking all known Signal servers. That’s why Signal supports special proxies that allow individuals to run to a
The US as of now is not threatening to kill end-to-end encryption.
-
If y'all are expecting (and relying on) legal businesses to tell police raiding their offices to fuck off, then you clearly don't understand secops.
If they go after encryption in earnest there's not going to be any room for secops left.
-
Neither.
I elaborated on my reasons on a comment above.
It's also called critical thinking for me, which means I don't get influenced by whatever the new scandal in the fediverse is for who is a bad guy, and I try to think for myself.
Being a security engineer I also think to possess some competencies when it comes to understand technical setup and topics like encryption, so again, I don't take other people opinions (possibly unqualified) as gospel.That said, I have specifically listed some points to back my own side, disagreeing with those (which would be nice to elaborate on) doesn't make other people PR bots or corporate fanboys. This is a mental shortcut to avoid challenging your own opinion IMHO.
I am not suggesting everyone here is a google shill aiming to sabotage valid competitors, for example.It's not called critical thinking it's called being a troll. And I'm not respond to you with anything but this statement.
-
lie
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn't. You have your own interpretation.
See also https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305eso it’s not possible to add backdoor
lie
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith.
Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption.
I will propose 2 ways:- maliciously patch the JS code of the webmail client, which will show the change in the browser, network communications etc.
- simply backdoor the client which will make it visible in the repo.
Didn't work on you
Because they didn't do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.
Straw man
It's not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it's not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump's wishes.
Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated
False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board.
A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board.
Explain how he "owns enough to do what he wants" please.Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government.
Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate.
There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases.
This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have.
Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can't help you).None of your statements here are accurate your original statements were lies and you are a troll.
-
Don't know if it's a trustworthy source, but:
https://cornucopia.se/2025/02/forsvarsmakten-infor-krav-pa-signal-for-samtal-och-meddelanden/
Nice, I get to use the only thing I know how to say in Swedish (forgive the lack of diacritics): forlat, jag pratar inte svenska.
-
Is this law broad enough to also catch up Proton and its services?
This attack by governments on encryption is getting more and more concerning.
Proton is a company claiming to operate under Swiss law (which is doubtful,as the company itself is US based).
Sadly Swiss data privacy laws are shit and it's intelligence agencies are known for overreach, especially when it comes to cross border data traffic.
-
There needs to be a messaging app which provides a backdoor for every government that requests it. Every time some dumbfuck legislator asks for a super-giga-secure-backdoor they promise not to misuse, they should be directed to that app.
That sounds like unencrypted communication with extra steps. Why not skip all of that and just give them an unencrypted service anyone can read and use. While we are at it, getting rid of those pesky passwords and unwieldy usernames is also a great idea. What could go wrong... I mean CLEARLY no one has anything to hide...
-
I found the other Threema user!
-
What about Threema?
Next in line should be matrix. People say it's hard to use but the devs have gone through like 3 app revisions since then. Main instance requires email but a lot are fully anon.
-
There is no such thing as a precedent in EU law. Any court can in general disagree with any other court. Appeals still exist, but they are only valid for that one case.
Judges don't make laws here.
Don't worry we stopped that in the US too. Congress doesn't make laws either. We are post-laws.
-
I found the other Threema user!
I use it too and am happy they finally added emoji reactions!
-
WireGuard protocol logs very little information by default. There is literally no way to make it log more than it does by default.
Even then, Mullvad has no customer information. You're given a customer number, which is intentional.
I stand my initial post in that there is very little, if anything, to record on a Mullvad server. If I'm not mistaken, Mullvad recently announced they are running all VPN services through a RAM only setup, therefore, there aren't even any drives to record customer information even if they chose to.
There absolutely is a way to make it log more. Simply add a function to dump the data passing through it. Just because right now there is no such function does not mean one cannot be added.
-
There absolutely is a way to make it log more. Simply add a function to dump the data passing through it. Just because right now there is no such function does not mean one cannot be added.
Sure, add it, but good luck logging in a RAM only setup. We're talking semantics because frankly, it doesn't currently affect Mullvad. If it does, we'll have to worry about it then.
-
Apps like Signals
This was about a different app named 'Signal', I think, without the s.
‘Signal’, I think, without the s.
Never heard of this ignal app
-
We're talking about Signal, not FB Messenger. People use Signal because of the encryption, and they would leave.
I use Signal because my workplace decided to default to it.
-
Next in line should be matrix. People say it's hard to use but the devs have gone through like 3 app revisions since then. Main instance requires email but a lot are fully anon.
DeltaChat makes so much more sense imho for texting. It is based on E-Mail. You can either use their e-mail service (requiring only a username) or you can use your existing imap-email account. End-End encryption is handled automatically.
-
That's the secret you give them all the same backdoor.
But each of them is special!
-
lie
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn't. You have your own interpretation.
See also https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305eso it’s not possible to add backdoor
lie
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith.
Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption.
I will propose 2 ways:- maliciously patch the JS code of the webmail client, which will show the change in the browser, network communications etc.
- simply backdoor the client which will make it visible in the repo.
Didn't work on you
Because they didn't do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.
Straw man
It's not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it's not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump's wishes.
Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated
False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board.
A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board.
Explain how he "owns enough to do what he wants" please.Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government.
Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate.
There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases.
This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have.
Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can't help you).k, moderator wants to censor my calling you out on trolling, LET's PLAY!
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn’t.
You just cited an opinion piece written by the PR department of Proton (https://medium.com/@ovenplayer) one article, 0 followers.
We do have the tweet. All of them in fact. They back up my claims.
The other person you commented on already addressed this and you just downvoted him without any rebuttal.
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith. Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients
Backdoor is on the server side. For you to mention a backdoor on the webclient makes me thing you don't actually know how all this works. where they store your email. They already busted an activist for the french government by changing their backend terms.
Because they didn’t do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy
They violated other peoples privacy, but I see, if they don't violate yours to your face, it didn't happen?
It’s not a strawman lol.
no one claimed it in the first place, that makes it a straw man.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position?
If you're going to bust people, be open about it up front, Here we have people like you fighting as hard as they can to say how incredibly private they are simply becuase they said so . You bought into their propaganda so far that you're willing to ignore anything done wrong by them and continue to claim how secure they are.
I maintain that you are either a PR plant for Proton, or just Trolling us.
Civil enough mods?
-
- According to Whittaker, the bill requires the encrypted messaging app Signal to install so-called backdoors in the software.
This law cannot go through! This is a threat to democracy in our country.
Privacy matter. You must be able to talk to your friends without needing to worry about if the government is listening to you. This will not help to catch the bad guys as they will just change to some other protocol. But it opens up the possiblity for third party doing something that they should not even be able to do. Stop this now.
