Signal's CEO: Then We're Leaving Sweden | Sweden Herald
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Wow. The mental gymnastics earn you a gold medal, congrats. Good luck to you.
Alright, so you don't actually have anything to say.
I guess that can happen with that definition of "critical thinking".
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"no reason"
Some people are just genuinely fucking stupid.
I couldn't agree more.
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Alright, so you don't actually have anything to say.
I guess that can happen with that definition of "critical thinking".
I have plenty, but the internet taught me not to feed trolls
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I have plenty, but the internet taught me not to feed trolls
Mental shortcut to again avoid critical thinking.
Nothing in my comment indicates trolling. Unlike you, who dropped in with a paternalistic and insulting comment, I have elaborated every single point in good faith.
However, you decided to take yet another mental shortcut and call it "mental gymnastic", because either you can't be bothered to, you are unable to, or unwilling to defend your own opinion.I will leave it at that. Hopefully you can "critically think" and draw your own conclusion about whose behavior is closer to that of a troll.
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I couldn't agree more.
Can't argue with your experience in the matter, that's for sure.
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Then politicians would simply require for "any technical measures to ensure the backdoor to be available" or something like that, meaning it would be Signals' job to ensure the backdoor works. They don't give a shit how something is done (IT is just too complex for most of them), only that it gets done somehow. For that very reason federal digital services are such a shitshow so often, they just don't understand what they even ask for so professionals always have to work around politicians' demands constantly breaking even the most basic security principles.
Its them just being idiots, like illegal activities will kedp going using old good pgp, and normies will get spied by political shit, as always..no privacy for honest people.
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Can't argue with your experience in the matter, that's for sure.
Can't argue
with your experience in the matter, that's for sure.FTFY
Now this has been fun, but since you decided to ignore everything I said when I thought a conversation was hard but possible, you demonstrated to lack knowledge of the subject (that "it's just a tax thing" was chef's kiss) and now you flipped the table, I will close it here from my end.
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Uuh... Ok? How is that relevant?
It's relevant because Switzerland is not Sweden, and thus Swedish laws do not apply to Swiss companies...
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Uuh... Ok? How is that relevant?
The news is about a proposed law in Sweden, not Switzerland.
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Nice PR move, but when do you announce leaving the US, which is the much bigger issue right now?
ISP blocking, probably not, but yes ISPs can block Signal by blocking all known Signal servers. That’s why Signal supports special proxies that allow individuals to run to a
The US as of now is not threatening to kill end-to-end encryption.
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If y'all are expecting (and relying on) legal businesses to tell police raiding their offices to fuck off, then you clearly don't understand secops.
If they go after encryption in earnest there's not going to be any room for secops left.
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Neither.
I elaborated on my reasons on a comment above.
It's also called critical thinking for me, which means I don't get influenced by whatever the new scandal in the fediverse is for who is a bad guy, and I try to think for myself.
Being a security engineer I also think to possess some competencies when it comes to understand technical setup and topics like encryption, so again, I don't take other people opinions (possibly unqualified) as gospel.That said, I have specifically listed some points to back my own side, disagreeing with those (which would be nice to elaborate on) doesn't make other people PR bots or corporate fanboys. This is a mental shortcut to avoid challenging your own opinion IMHO.
I am not suggesting everyone here is a google shill aiming to sabotage valid competitors, for example.It's not called critical thinking it's called being a troll. And I'm not respond to you with anything but this statement.
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lie
We have the tweet, the context, his direct statements saying he didn't. You have your own interpretation.
See also https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305eso it’s not possible to add backdoor
lie
Quoting an incomplete sentence is peak bad faith.
Please, elaborate on how they can backdoor the email communication without the change be visible in the clients. Take a proton to proton communication, and show me how they can backdoor the PGP encryption.
I will propose 2 ways:- maliciously patch the JS code of the webmail client, which will show the change in the browser, network communications etc.
- simply backdoor the client which will make it visible in the repo.
Didn't work on you
Because they didn't do anything that indicates they are violating my privacy. If they would, I would redirect my domain and drop them in a blink of an eye.
Straw man
It's not a strawman lol. Pointing out the fact that it's not evident what the advantage would be is an actual argument against saying that they would backdoor the software in compliance with trump's wishes.
Asking what the benefit is for such an immoral and illegal action seems reasonable to me?being a non profit and him owning enough of it to do what he wants are unrelated
False. He gave away his stocks of the for profit company, which is now controlled by the nonprofit where he is 1 out of 5 (or 6?) In the board.
A decision like this realistically will need to be approved by the board.
Explain how he "owns enough to do what he wants" please.Tell that french activist they turned logging on for and gave up to the authorities.
what would you expect any organization could do in that position? If there is a culprit there, it is the government.
Complying with legal orders (which BTW they are transparent about and they challenge lots of them too) is a requirement for a company to operate.
There are 2 cases that I know of so far (in the other they have been forced to give all the data they had about a user, and the only data they gave was a recovery email address), and they are 100% expected. Unless you want to be a rogue organization, there is nothing you can do in those cases.
This if anything is a good test that shows how little data they collect or have.
Unfortunately for logs of VPN connection there is no technical solution that will ever prevent from logging data again (mullvad is now experimenting with a double tunnel, but that is just a small nuisance for law enforcement), like there is for encryption (I.e., encryption happened with keys we cannot retrieve, sorry can't help you).None of your statements here are accurate your original statements were lies and you are a troll.
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Don't know if it's a trustworthy source, but:
https://cornucopia.se/2025/02/forsvarsmakten-infor-krav-pa-signal-for-samtal-och-meddelanden/
Nice, I get to use the only thing I know how to say in Swedish (forgive the lack of diacritics): forlat, jag pratar inte svenska.
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Is this law broad enough to also catch up Proton and its services?
This attack by governments on encryption is getting more and more concerning.
Proton is a company claiming to operate under Swiss law (which is doubtful,as the company itself is US based).
Sadly Swiss data privacy laws are shit and it's intelligence agencies are known for overreach, especially when it comes to cross border data traffic.
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There needs to be a messaging app which provides a backdoor for every government that requests it. Every time some dumbfuck legislator asks for a super-giga-secure-backdoor they promise not to misuse, they should be directed to that app.
That sounds like unencrypted communication with extra steps. Why not skip all of that and just give them an unencrypted service anyone can read and use. While we are at it, getting rid of those pesky passwords and unwieldy usernames is also a great idea. What could go wrong... I mean CLEARLY no one has anything to hide...
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I found the other Threema user!
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What about Threema?
Next in line should be matrix. People say it's hard to use but the devs have gone through like 3 app revisions since then. Main instance requires email but a lot are fully anon.
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There is no such thing as a precedent in EU law. Any court can in general disagree with any other court. Appeals still exist, but they are only valid for that one case.
Judges don't make laws here.
Don't worry we stopped that in the US too. Congress doesn't make laws either. We are post-laws.
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I found the other Threema user!
I use it too and am happy they finally added emoji reactions!
