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With the Legion Go S, we can now directly compare performance between official builds of SteamOS and Windows

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  • C [email protected]

    I was specifically referring to games as a subset of software in general. Generally, I haven't run into a game that doesn't "just work" on Linux unless the developer has non-working anti cheat. Are there any major games you've tried that that wasn't the case?

    As for all software, we still have work to do there.

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    I was going to put an explanation on why I can't use Linux, but it doesn't matter. I'm someone who can't make the leap yet with the software and game services I use. I want to be, but I just can't yet.

    This is why the original commenter shouldn't get downvoted for asking about 10 iot benchmarks because I, too, am looking to convert to this version when consumer 10 support ends this year. If it works on my desktop well, I'd likely try it on my Rog Ally.

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      Because they aren't just optimizing for gaming.

      Any change they make would influence their other markets as well, like general and office use.

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      They made an attempt. It's called Windows RT. It's a sandbox more locked down than iOS.

      The Win32 desktop environment isn't built to support stuff like "timer coalescing" for all the API calls which all the software is designed to run continously in the background. Changing how it idles would change so many things which all kinds of software depends on that it would barely be the same OS anymore.

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      • F [email protected]

        the gains come from the reduced overhead that linux has compared to windows

        literally the next line

        ..the games here are being run through proton

        I really hate the dismissal of the heavy lifting proton does. Proton is what makes gaming on Linux so great. So many native linux games perform worse on Linux vs their windows counterparts. Then again, I'd expect nothing less from Dave2D

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        I really hate the dismissal of the heavy lifting proton does.

        What part of this did you interpret as a dismissal?

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        • darkdarkhouse@lemmy.sdf.orgD [email protected]

          What's nice is that Microsoft today doesn't have capability to improve in the short or even medium term. They could drop a billion dollars into it and it would still take them years to improve their offering, if they can at all.

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          I disagree. Take Windows, remove the bloat, slap a game-focused GUI on it, call it XBOX and Bob's your uncle.

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          • fubarberry@sopuli.xyzF [email protected]

            Source is this video:

            Windows Was The Problem All Along - Dave2D

            We could obviously compare performance between windows and steamOS before on the steam deck, or between windows and Bazzite on other handhelds. But this is the first time we have had official windows and SteamOS builds for the same hardware.

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            I’d love to know what windows figures would be like with a stripped down guts ripped out windows, such as revi.cc.

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            • xavier666@lemm.eeX [email protected]

              Don't forget educational institutes. Linux should be the defacto OS at such places. The younger generation's first interaction with a PC is at school. If they are used to Linux from a young age, this is greatly help them ease into the Linux mindset (package manager, terminal).

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              Which is exactly why Google and Apple give free computers to public schools. Good luck getting them to turn that down.

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              • L [email protected]

                They said make electric cars fast, and you'll get car guys to buy in. It was true.

                Now they're making linux make video games faster and prettier...

                I dont know if there will ever be a year of the linux desktop, but this is the kind of stuff you gotta do to get there.

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                I dont know if there will ever be a year of the linux desktop

                There won't be. It won't happen that quickly. If anything there will be a "decade of the Linux computer".

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                • tkohldesac@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                  Can it play MH Wilds?

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                  The processor is not terribly power, so probably not.

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                    I'd still take this with a grain of salt. Not many games tested, and the SteamOS build might've been tweaked and worked on more to be more optimized.

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                    SteamOS build might've been tweaked and worked on more to be more optimized

                    What does that mean? Of course it was. Why would I take that with salt?

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                    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zoneK [email protected]

                      Windows Gamers (who will never switch to Linux): Linux still isn't ready for mass adoption

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                      I’m still waiting for games with big anticheats to run on Linux. Until I can play Fortnite with my nephew on Linux I won’t swap over.

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                      • L [email protected]

                        And why would they? They're printing so much money, this niche probably doesn't make a dent.

                        It doesn't matter if Windows is the best system for gaming. It just matters if people believe it is.

                        You can always justify using Windows. "How do I get Game Pass to work on my handheld?" is probably something people care about.

                        Granted this is an expensive way to lock customers into your platform, but they're already doing it anyways, so no need to pour money into the OS experience when you can just sell services building on customer data.

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                        It’s not about the short term, it’s about the long term.

                        Windows should consider proton and steam an existential threat.

                        MS (and APR) give away their keystone software windows, office, etc in order to “get them young” and make sure that young kids grow up using their software.

                        Majority of kids interactions with computers is mobile, gaming, and schoolwork.

                        MS has nothing in mobile, gaming is getting more crowded and school both Apple and Google are muscling in

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                          My partner and I have been transitioning to Linux over the past month or so, dual booting for now.

                          Linux still isn't ready for mass adoption.

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                          If you don't mind me asking:
                          What problems did you run into?
                          And what distro were you using?

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                            And why would they? They're printing so much money, this niche probably doesn't make a dent.

                            It doesn't matter if Windows is the best system for gaming. It just matters if people believe it is.

                            You can always justify using Windows. "How do I get Game Pass to work on my handheld?" is probably something people care about.

                            Granted this is an expensive way to lock customers into your platform, but they're already doing it anyways, so no need to pour money into the OS experience when you can just sell services building on customer data.

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                            It'd be great if they truly believed this, but that's just the image they like to project, the truth is that this has them deathly afraid.

                            You've got mainstream media covering it, folks like digital foundry openly talking about how Windows is the worst part of Windows handhelds. They can't let this stand, so they're actively working against it.

                            Just like the faster zombies blog post in 2012 scared them into boosting d3d development and eventually led to the release of d3d12, this will make them actually invest in gaming for a change.

                            All the chatter about xbox branded handhelds is an easy tell, but like the blog post we might not discover the true extent until years later.

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                              I disagree. Take Windows, remove the bloat, slap a game-focused GUI on it, call it XBOX and Bob's your uncle.

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                              There are rumors they plan to do this with the first Xbox handheld.

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                              • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                                I dont know if there will ever be a year of the linux desktop

                                There won't be. It won't happen that quickly. If anything there will be a "decade of the Linux computer".

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                                Which I feel like were are at the beginning of, steam and proton are catalyzing the decade of linux right now.

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                                  Why? Isn't SteamOS a stripped down version of Linux?

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                                  SteamOS is a full Linux build, it's just a different distro like Fedora, Ubuntu, mint, etc, etc

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                                  • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                                    SteamOS build might've been tweaked and worked on more to be more optimized

                                    What does that mean? Of course it was. Why would I take that with salt?

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                                    Well, SteamOS vs base Windows isn’t really a good comparison. Best would be optimized Windows vs gaming only distro, or base windows vs base distro

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                                      I’d love to know what windows figures would be like with a stripped down guts ripped out windows, such as revi.cc.

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                                      pls dont suggest this blatantly obvious russian/us/chinese surveillance tool jesus chriat pls dont tell me people actually use this... if youre worried about security use a hardened linux distro this is just crazy

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                                        pls dont suggest this blatantly obvious russian/us/chinese surveillance tool jesus chriat pls dont tell me people actually use this... if youre worried about security use a hardened linux distro this is just crazy

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                                        Care to explain ?

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          If you don't mind me asking:
                                          What problems did you run into?
                                          And what distro were you using?

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                                          I've tested out Manjaro, KDE Neon, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, Mint, and Fedora - across two desktops and a laptop.

                                          Problems have been all over the spectrum. Not being to install at all, trouble getting it to dual boot after installing (despite following a guide), getting NAS drives to be writeable, hardware compatibility, finding alternatives to proprietary software which may or may not do everything the original did, and more.

                                          I'm semi enjoying the tinkering for now, and I'm not regretting trying to de-Windows as much as possible, but I think people who say Linux is ready for mainstream are out of touch with the average person's computer literacy.

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