With the Legion Go S, we can now directly compare performance between official builds of SteamOS and Windows
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Windows Gamers (who will never switch to Linux): Linux still isn't ready for mass adoption
I’m still waiting for games with big anticheats to run on Linux. Until I can play Fortnite with my nephew on Linux I won’t swap over.
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And why would they? They're printing so much money, this niche probably doesn't make a dent.
It doesn't matter if Windows is the best system for gaming. It just matters if people believe it is.
You can always justify using Windows. "How do I get Game Pass to work on my handheld?" is probably something people care about.
Granted this is an expensive way to lock customers into your platform, but they're already doing it anyways, so no need to pour money into the OS experience when you can just sell services building on customer data.
It’s not about the short term, it’s about the long term.
Windows should consider proton and steam an existential threat.
MS (and APR) give away their keystone software windows, office, etc in order to “get them young” and make sure that young kids grow up using their software.
Majority of kids interactions with computers is mobile, gaming, and schoolwork.
MS has nothing in mobile, gaming is getting more crowded and school both Apple and Google are muscling in
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My partner and I have been transitioning to Linux over the past month or so, dual booting for now.
Linux still isn't ready for mass adoption.
If you don't mind me asking:
What problems did you run into?
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And why would they? They're printing so much money, this niche probably doesn't make a dent.
It doesn't matter if Windows is the best system for gaming. It just matters if people believe it is.
You can always justify using Windows. "How do I get Game Pass to work on my handheld?" is probably something people care about.
Granted this is an expensive way to lock customers into your platform, but they're already doing it anyways, so no need to pour money into the OS experience when you can just sell services building on customer data.
It'd be great if they truly believed this, but that's just the image they like to project, the truth is that this has them deathly afraid.
You've got mainstream media covering it, folks like digital foundry openly talking about how Windows is the worst part of Windows handhelds. They can't let this stand, so they're actively working against it.
Just like the faster zombies blog post in 2012 scared them into boosting d3d development and eventually led to the release of d3d12, this will make them actually invest in gaming for a change.
All the chatter about xbox branded handhelds is an easy tell, but like the blog post we might not discover the true extent until years later.
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I disagree. Take Windows, remove the bloat, slap a game-focused GUI on it, call it XBOX and Bob's your uncle.
There are rumors they plan to do this with the first Xbox handheld.
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I dont know if there will ever be a year of the linux desktop
There won't be. It won't happen that quickly. If anything there will be a "decade of the Linux computer".
Which I feel like were are at the beginning of, steam and proton are catalyzing the decade of linux right now.
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Why? Isn't SteamOS a stripped down version of Linux?
SteamOS is a full Linux build, it's just a different distro like Fedora, Ubuntu, mint, etc, etc
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SteamOS build might've been tweaked and worked on more to be more optimized
What does that mean? Of course it was. Why would I take that with salt?
Well, SteamOS vs base Windows isn’t really a good comparison. Best would be optimized Windows vs gaming only distro, or base windows vs base distro
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I’d love to know what windows figures would be like with a stripped down guts ripped out windows, such as revi.cc.
pls dont suggest this blatantly obvious russian/us/chinese surveillance tool jesus chriat pls dont tell me people actually use this... if youre worried about security use a hardened linux distro this is just crazy
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pls dont suggest this blatantly obvious russian/us/chinese surveillance tool jesus chriat pls dont tell me people actually use this... if youre worried about security use a hardened linux distro this is just crazy
Care to explain ?
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If you don't mind me asking:
What problems did you run into?
And what distro were you using?wrote last edited by [email protected]I've tested out Manjaro, KDE Neon, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, Mint, and Fedora - across two desktops and a laptop.
Problems have been all over the spectrum. Not being to install at all, trouble getting it to dual boot after installing (despite following a guide), getting NAS drives to be writeable, hardware compatibility, finding alternatives to proprietary software which may or may not do everything the original did, and more.
I'm semi enjoying the tinkering for now, and I'm not regretting trying to de-Windows as much as possible, but I think people who say Linux is ready for mainstream are out of touch with the average person's computer literacy.
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Well, SteamOS vs base Windows isn’t really a good comparison. Best would be optimized Windows vs gaming only distro, or base windows vs base distro
Best would be optimized Windows
What is "optimized Windows"? Windows is Windows. There's no gaming-focused version.
gaming only distro
There's no such thing, to my knowledge.
base windows vs base distro
What is a "base distro"?
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Source is this video:
Windows Was The Problem All Along - Dave2D
We could obviously compare performance between windows and steamOS before on the steam deck, or between windows and Bazzite on other handhelds. But this is the first time we have had official windows and SteamOS builds for the same hardware.
I am a little curious how something like Ubuntu would do on one of these gaming handhelds. Steam OS is a nicer user experience but I always wonder if it also adds any significant optimization.
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I've tested out Manjaro, KDE Neon, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, Mint, and Fedora - across two desktops and a laptop.
Problems have been all over the spectrum. Not being to install at all, trouble getting it to dual boot after installing (despite following a guide), getting NAS drives to be writeable, hardware compatibility, finding alternatives to proprietary software which may or may not do everything the original did, and more.
I'm semi enjoying the tinkering for now, and I'm not regretting trying to de-Windows as much as possible, but I think people who say Linux is ready for mainstream are out of touch with the average person's computer literacy.
dual booting anything with windows (including another copy of windows) is an insufferable nightmare caused by windows.
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dual booting anything with windows (including another copy of windows) is an insufferable nightmare caused by windows.
Not all instances were dual booting, nor are all of the problems I've encountered or described above related with dual booting.
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Even gamers do more than just game on their PC, though.
Most people just need a web browser for most of their needs, unless you have a need for a specific software that's Windows only and doesn't have a good Linux alternative,
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Not all instances were dual booting, nor are all of the problems I've encountered or described above related with dual booting.
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I am a little curious how something like Ubuntu would do on one of these gaming handhelds. Steam OS is a nicer user experience but I always wonder if it also adds any significant optimization.
What do you mean? It's just steamos is arch linux with a fancy suit.
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completely valid. just pointing out windows is a malicious cohabitant on a drive
Even among that I've varied. In one installation I have Windows sharing a drive, separate partition for Linux. In another computer they're on completely different drives.
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I am a little curious how something like Ubuntu would do on one of these gaming handhelds. Steam OS is a nicer user experience but I always wonder if it also adds any significant optimization.
I think you're a bit better off with SteamOS's gamescope rather than going through gnome-shell.
