Graffiti seen in Barcelona, Catalonia
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under capitalism, almost nothing happens without a profit. If you're so sure the problem isn't capitalism, please explain to me how exactly you're imagining things should work.
I don't know how you got 'this person is pro-capitalism' from me saying 'profit is the problem'.
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I don't know how you got 'this person is pro-capitalism' from me saying 'profit is the problem'.
I said:
The problem is the market, IMO, if not capitalism entirely
but it seemed to me that you were disagreeing with my post when you said "the problem is making a profit off it." I could have misunderstood, and you were agreeing?
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I said:
The problem is the market, IMO, if not capitalism entirely
but it seemed to me that you were disagreeing with my post when you said "the problem is making a profit off it." I could have misunderstood, and you were agreeing?
You think capitalism is the problem, yes? If so, we are in agreement.
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I have a pretty good landlord. This isn't an ACAB situation. The problem is the market, IMO, if not capitalism entirely; even if you got rid of landlords (made it illegal to have tenants), housing prices would still be too high to buy a house. Supply-side or demand-side economics are the only viable solution under capitalism.
We could still have great property managers without landlords. Then you wouldn't even need to be thankful that your lord happens to be one of the benevolent ones.
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..no, that's just what I said is not the case. You must have misread?
Looking at the instances you two are from I feel like I'm taking crazy pills 🫨
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People who can no longer afford their mortgages would disagree with you.
Why would mortgage prices go up without landlords?
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Ban landlord culture and property prices drop.
Kinda sucks for those already with a mortgage. Defending rental culture because someone might lose out now only guarantees that an ever increasing majority lose out in the future.
Yeah it would suck to have my house drop in value while I still owe the bank so much money, but anyone who isn't willing to suck it up for the obvious greater good is an asshole.
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Looking at the instances you two are from I feel like I'm taking crazy pills 🫨
Sorry, I forgot to tell you that today is opposite day.
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Get rid of air bnb and similar. It's caused a ton of problems in Japan as well with people buying whole buildings and pricing out existing tenants. There are legal protections, but most tenants, particularly elderly, don't know about them and either pay new increased prices by the new landlord or move out. The government enacted laws requiring a minpaku (think lodging/hotel) license and putting maxes on time, but tons of people still run illegal ones.
A lot of those people seem to be Chinese investors running them off of other sites which has furthered anger and xenophobia against all foreigners. One of the parties that skyrocketed in the most recent election wants to strip property rights from all foreigners and not just investment properties but ALL properties. It's a reaction to getting priced out and the government not doing shit about it. Granted, there are tons of other problems (prices rising weekly or monthly, wages not keeping up at all with inflation and rising prices, and overtourism more generally), but this is low-hanging fruit.
As someone who just bought a house last year (on the market for over a year in the countryside with farmland for which I had to interview and get permits to buy and use), and volunteers in his community, this is terrifying to me. I had to go through tons of extra hoops just for being a foreigner to begin with and now, thanks to fuckhead illegal hotel owners and bad policy, now lots of people want to take the one little bit of stability I finally felt.
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..no, that's just what I said is not the case. You must have misread?
You sound like a slave complimenting his owner for being such a kind-hearted masser who treats him good
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And in there lies the rub. You can have somewhere cheap to stay, but the cost of housing go up everywhere. Or, you pay the extra hundred, and housing is more affordable for everyone.
This is what I mean by the scalper argument. Everyone wants a playstation, and some will 3 and 4 times the price for it. So now no one gets one, because the scalper buy up all the stock. In this case, you want to save 100 bucks. The knock on effect of that is that is that it contributes to increased cost of housing, and millions of people not being able to afford one.
I wouldnt worry too much. Looking at me downvotes, no one wants to blame you anyway. They are happy to just blame airbnb, and demand government regulation. Its pretty pathetic really.
True. I suppose it's more of me placing the blame on large landlord corporations that own 20+ spaces to rent out rather than the AirBnB host with two houses. My local community is much more affected by the former than the latter. Is it the other way around in touristy towns outside the USA? I haven't used any AirBnB abroad.
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So? Then they shouldn't have gotten real estate to begin with if they can't afford a house. A person who relies on renting property to make a living are leaches living off the working class.
You do realise normal people have mortgages, right? I don't know why everyone has just assumed I'm taking about landlords here...
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You sound like a slave complimenting his owner for being such a kind-hearted masser who treats him good
oh that's so sweet, you think i'm naĂŻve
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You think capitalism is the problem, yes? If so, we are in agreement.
yes. Capitalism is the problem, not landlords per se. Under capitalism, I feel like it is more ethical to rent out a spare room in one's house than it is to not rent it out.
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Have you never chosen to boycott a company before? I won't go to Chick-fil-A for any reason. It doesn't matter if the franchisee holds the exact same level of hatred for lgbtq+. The fact that it isn't a disqualifier is enough for me. Not all MAGAts are pedophiles but the fact that they can excuse it for other reasons in their head means I don't fucking talk to those people. So yeah, you giving money to horrible people makes me think of you a certain way.
That's a fine conclusion, I don't expect us to agree after all. I think I better understand where you are at after all this conversation. Thank you for having it with me. You are going for abstaining. My big focus has been reduction. I do need to travel or my mental state just gets bad. It doesn't help that I'm stuck living in this state via a multi-year contract.
And as for boycotting, only a few places completely; Chick-fil-A, Hobby Lobby, and many other places. The rest is significant reduction. WalMart, Amazon, McDonalds, etc I will use rarely (maybe twice a year) and have been funneling a lot more of my finances to the local grocery Co-Op that primarily stocks local farm goods, Etsy, and locally owned restaurants. Similar to not adopting veganism, but eating a lot less beef, adding in vegetarian meals, and mostly going with fish for protein.
I support as much local as I can afford to, and that is more than I can ask for from others. Intentions matter more to me than the rest, because it can be worked with. Hope you have a great day!
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Can you link to the news you refer to? I also seem to haven't read it
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/16/nx-s1-5434829/spain-tourism-protests-water-pistols-barcelona-mallorca
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/travel/barcelona-tourism-protests-scli-intl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-p-YGNXEnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo6L4dYVRUw
And to top it all off, "TOURISTS GO HOME" is one of the common slogans they use.
Not gonna visit barcelona any time soon with this toxic attitude.
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That's a fine conclusion, I don't expect us to agree after all. I think I better understand where you are at after all this conversation. Thank you for having it with me. You are going for abstaining. My big focus has been reduction. I do need to travel or my mental state just gets bad. It doesn't help that I'm stuck living in this state via a multi-year contract.
And as for boycotting, only a few places completely; Chick-fil-A, Hobby Lobby, and many other places. The rest is significant reduction. WalMart, Amazon, McDonalds, etc I will use rarely (maybe twice a year) and have been funneling a lot more of my finances to the local grocery Co-Op that primarily stocks local farm goods, Etsy, and locally owned restaurants. Similar to not adopting veganism, but eating a lot less beef, adding in vegetarian meals, and mostly going with fish for protein.
I support as much local as I can afford to, and that is more than I can ask for from others. Intentions matter more to me than the rest, because it can be worked with. Hope you have a great day!
That's fair I often go a little too hardcore in my boycotts, and realize I'm left with little to no options in picking up something I need. No Walmart, no Menards, no amazon, and try to avoid target, luckily I've found a few small shops around town that I didn't know existed, simply cause I had to find some things for the house.
Once while driving through the middle of nowhere I found myself getting hungry and all they had was a McDonald's and a dumpy looking gas station. So I passed on and wound up regretting it cause the next town of any significant size was nearly 80 miles away and I found myself getting lightheaded and my vision started getting hazy. Luckily I passed a town with a clean looking gas station before I got to the bigger town and I discovered the magic that is Casey's pizza.
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Ban landlord culture and property prices drop.
Kinda sucks for those already with a mortgage. Defending rental culture because someone might lose out now only guarantees that an ever increasing majority lose out in the future.
"Concerns" like this is why the housing situation will never be fixed. Guess what? Fixing the housing crisis will always means stopping it from being a profitable investment.
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People who can no longer afford their mortgages would disagree with you.
“Concerns” like this is why the housing situation will never be fixed. Guess what? Fixing the housing crisis will always means stopping it from being a profitable investment.
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Funny how we vilify those who are renting it out, but not those that are renting. Its the scalper argument all over again. Blaming the seller, but not the buyer who creates the market. If no one rents, then no one is going to buy to set up an airbnb.
I'm sorry that I can't afford to buy a house. Where the fuck else am I supposed to live if not rent? Victim blaming 101.
