DeepSeek collects keystroke data and more, storing it in Chinese servers

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This is probably only a problem with the online version. In contrast to google and openAI they, like meta, let you download the model and run it offline, where they can't access any of this data I presume.

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Anyone using DeepSeek as a service the same way proprietary LLMs like ChatGPT are used is missing the point. The game-changer isn’t that the Chinese company DeepSeek can compete with OpenAI and its ilk—it’s that now any organization with a few million dollars to train and host their own model can compete with OpenAI.

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DeepSeek does the same things that OpenAI does, but it's a foreign actors so OOooooOOWwwwooOOOO sCaRy!

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DeepSeek's privacy policy raises concerns about a U.S. foreign adversary's ability to access U.S. user data. Users are familiar with the massive amounts of data U.S. tech companies collect, but China's cybersecurity laws make it much easier for the government to demand data from its tech companies. Additionally, DeepSeek users have reported instances of censorship, when it comes to criticizing the Chinese government or asking about Tiananmen Square.

Users have been shown that both governments are untrustworthy so what the fuck are we supposed to do?

Am I supposed to not read this article as panic? I know this is Mashable but the media overall is no longer unbiased and now there’s gonna be more gremlins to watch for in pro-US corpo AI propaganda and media ownership having stakes in AI.

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On-prem vs. Cloud, basically. On-prem just magically got cheaper.

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Assuming that DeepSeek really is logging keystrokes (they provided no evidence: who were they quoting?), that is unfortunately not uncommon. As shown by their TikTok pearl clutching, corporate media regularly goes for maximalist cold war fearmongering.

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Wait until they hear what data Instagram/Meta collects during use!

But they're a US company so it's ok.

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(they provided no evidence: who were they quoting?)

https://platform.deepseek.com/downloads/DeepSeek Privacy Policy.html

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I've noticed that this "there is no proof!" or "where's the evidence?" all of a sudden has become popular. You have people saying it even when they're talking about a very specific statement of a fact that's very specifically and easily verifiable.

that is unfortunately not uncommon

Completely true. A lot of web sites monitor everything you do on them, and can play it back for anyone who's curious about optimizing the UX or for any other less innocent reason. Generally I think there's not much specific in their privacy policy about it when they do. It's not surprising that this one is also doing that, accompanied by really a pretty minor line in their privacy policy to go along with it, I completely agree with you here.

As shown by their TikTok pearl clutching, corporate media regularly goes for maximalist cold war fearmongering.

Personally, I wish the corporate media would pearl-clutch a little bit more about how explicitly malicious to our interests our computing devices have become. "Everyone does it, so it's not a big deal after all" is a common take to have, but it's the exact opposite of the one that I personally have on it.

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“Everyone does it, so it’s not a big deal after all” is a common take to have, but it’s the exact opposite of the one that I personally have on it.

That’s not my take, and I agree with you.

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Cool. I'd rather China have it than some American megacorp.

I trust China more.

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HuggingChat is open source and lets you use DeepSeek. It also doesn't censor results like the main app (allegedly) does.

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Everyone does it, so it’s not a big deal after all

...and I think that's you completely misreading what people are saying.

We're saying that it's bunk for the corporate media to portray it as this dangerous thing when they refuse to report similarly on US companies doing the same with the same ferocity.

I think most people agree with you, that our privacy protections are fucking abysmal and no company should be being allowed to do this stuff. Hell, that's like the entire thrust of Ed Zitron's entire fucking blog: that none of these companies should get away with this.

It's like when Facebook got fined a paltry sum for being caught lying about their video metrics and literally putting businesses like CollegeHumor out of business because they "pivoted to facebook video" to grab those high metrics... which never materialized because Facebook was ratfucking lying to people. They should have been shut down and put out of business for that, not fined less than they made ripping off people.

People are sick of the companies here getting a pass, and the media gives them a pass. It's more that you can't make freaked out headlines like this about TikTok and DeepSeek and not understand that everyone is rolling their fucking eyes because we're all like "it's no worse than what US companies already do to us." That doesn't mean we like it or are okay with it. It means we're rolling our eyes are a fucking insipid news media that's obviously lying to us for the sake of private American companies profit, not because they care about rightfully informing American citizentry about what is happening.

All of us fucking hate it, but what the fuck do you expect us as individuals to do about it? Folks like me have been voting Blue for 25 fucking years with fuck-all to show for it on issues like these. So why's it our job to explain that we don't support it, we just think it's dumb as fuck when a foreign company is doing the same thing and now suddenly that's evil, but our guys doing it is somehow fine. What we have issue with is the hypocrisy.

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https://platform.deepseek.com/downloads/DeepSeek Privacy Policy.html

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I assumed that they couldn’t have gotten that from the privacy policy itself, because I’d never seen one be so explicit.

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Let's be honest, ChatGPT is also logging keystrokes.

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I've been running it locally using ollama, works completely offline, no keystroke data for anyone!

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Dude, why is this guy getting so upset about the suggestion that people should be alarmed both by TikTok and also by the malicious behavior of all the other social media companies? And that the media should report more on it? Why is he yelling so much at me for making what I thought was that fairly reasonable suggestion?

Folks like me have been voting Blue for 25 fucking years

Oh. Um... what? What does that... okay.

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Right, the offline version (if you have the hardware to run it) is completely under your control, and no one can take that away from you. Honestly nice to see that happen, I thought it would take several years.

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Nothing alleged about it. The main app wraps your prompt in a China-friendly one - at this point, I think people have mined the prompt itself? Scummy, sure, but it's also the same way that literally every other online AI service works.

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Yes. I also like how the alarming take on it is not "People are typing their passwords / medical histories / employer's source code into ChatGPT and from there it goes straight into the training data not only to be stored forever in the corpus, but also sometimes, to be extracted at a later date by any yahoo who knows the way to tease it back out from ChatGPT via the right carefully crafted prompting!"

But instead it is "When you type things, they can see what you type! The keystrokes!"

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I literally explained it pretty clearly.

At this point its clear you want to misunderstand.

Interesting that you took a few paragraphs with a handful of explitives thrown in as "yelling."

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DeepSeek collects keystroke data and more, storing it in Chinese servers