DeepSeek collects keystroke data and more, storing it in Chinese servers

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“Everyone does it, so it’s not a big deal after all” is a common take to have, but it’s the exact opposite of the one that I personally have on it.

That’s not my take, and I agree with you.

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Cool. I'd rather China have it than some American megacorp.

I trust China more.

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HuggingChat is open source and lets you use DeepSeek. It also doesn't censor results like the main app (allegedly) does.

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Everyone does it, so it’s not a big deal after all

...and I think that's you completely misreading what people are saying.

We're saying that it's bunk for the corporate media to portray it as this dangerous thing when they refuse to report similarly on US companies doing the same with the same ferocity.

I think most people agree with you, that our privacy protections are fucking abysmal and no company should be being allowed to do this stuff. Hell, that's like the entire thrust of Ed Zitron's entire fucking blog: that none of these companies should get away with this.

It's like when Facebook got fined a paltry sum for being caught lying about their video metrics and literally putting businesses like CollegeHumor out of business because they "pivoted to facebook video" to grab those high metrics... which never materialized because Facebook was ratfucking lying to people. They should have been shut down and put out of business for that, not fined less than they made ripping off people.

People are sick of the companies here getting a pass, and the media gives them a pass. It's more that you can't make freaked out headlines like this about TikTok and DeepSeek and not understand that everyone is rolling their fucking eyes because we're all like "it's no worse than what US companies already do to us." That doesn't mean we like it or are okay with it. It means we're rolling our eyes are a fucking insipid news media that's obviously lying to us for the sake of private American companies profit, not because they care about rightfully informing American citizentry about what is happening.

All of us fucking hate it, but what the fuck do you expect us as individuals to do about it? Folks like me have been voting Blue for 25 fucking years with fuck-all to show for it on issues like these. So why's it our job to explain that we don't support it, we just think it's dumb as fuck when a foreign company is doing the same thing and now suddenly that's evil, but our guys doing it is somehow fine. What we have issue with is the hypocrisy.

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https://platform.deepseek.com/downloads/DeepSeek Privacy Policy.html

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I assumed that they couldn’t have gotten that from the privacy policy itself, because I’d never seen one be so explicit.

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Let's be honest, ChatGPT is also logging keystrokes.

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I've been running it locally using ollama, works completely offline, no keystroke data for anyone!

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Dude, why is this guy getting so upset about the suggestion that people should be alarmed both by TikTok and also by the malicious behavior of all the other social media companies? And that the media should report more on it? Why is he yelling so much at me for making what I thought was that fairly reasonable suggestion?

Folks like me have been voting Blue for 25 fucking years

Oh. Um... what? What does that... okay.

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Right, the offline version (if you have the hardware to run it) is completely under your control, and no one can take that away from you. Honestly nice to see that happen, I thought it would take several years.

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Nothing alleged about it. The main app wraps your prompt in a China-friendly one - at this point, I think people have mined the prompt itself? Scummy, sure, but it's also the same way that literally every other online AI service works.

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Yes. I also like how the alarming take on it is not "People are typing their passwords / medical histories / employer's source code into ChatGPT and from there it goes straight into the training data not only to be stored forever in the corpus, but also sometimes, to be extracted at a later date by any yahoo who knows the way to tease it back out from ChatGPT via the right carefully crafted prompting!"

But instead it is "When you type things, they can see what you type! The keystrokes!"

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I literally explained it pretty clearly.

At this point its clear you want to misunderstand.

Interesting that you took a few paragraphs with a handful of explitives thrown in as "yelling."

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the accusation that they collect keystroke data from outside the app if you have it installed?

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Well, you did say it was "pearl clutching" and "fearmongering." My point is, they should be clutching pearls, and fear should be mongered. Arguably, at all the social media companies including TikTok.

I actually do agree that TikTok is worse, but it's hardly the point. We can be alarmed about all of them, especially since the US ones are now in the hands of an overtly evil tyrannical government instead of merely the sociopathic profit-minded corporatocracy they were in before.

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US and the west: .... Spying is not acceptable! .... except if our companies are doing it

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I'd like to look into that, how can I train an existing model further?

I'm only playing around with ollama, but like to do a bit more - mostly just to fulfill my needs to understand things - but have no idea where to start

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You're literally talking to people in a privacy forum hosted outside of corporate social media... and you think people don't agree with you.

That's on you, dude.

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Well, only one of those governments can actually do anything to me. Hint: it's the one I live under

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I'm talking to someone in a privacy forum hosted outside of corporate social media who described reports about privacy violations committed by a privacy-invasive social media app as pearl-clutching and fearmongering.

I'm not sure what your deal is, here, but I'm not into it. I feel like what I said was pretty straightforward and you're determined to gin up some kind of disagreement, where I'm supposed to say that corporate media's reporting on privacy isn't bad, or something.

Privacy good, corporate privacy invasion bad. Corporate media underreporting of privacy violations bad. Hopefully that makes sense, and we can agree on it. I'm not into whatever argument you're attempting to create about it.

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They're desperate to manufacture consent against their competition

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