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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • J [email protected]

    I think we need to figure out how to make leftism more appealing to centrists, and particularly to the cis/straight/white/male demographic.

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    IMO the biggest problem is media. They report through a center-right lens and focus on sensationalism. So all people see of the left is the "check your privilege cis white boy" and "anarchists have burned down the entire city" BS lines instead of the vast aid efforts and daily work.

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      I know a few people who are police, one being a very close friend who is now retired from being a cop. Not a single one of them is a bad person or cop. The stories I hear from them make me wonder why they would do it, and the universal answer is usually to help people. The best part is that of the six or so people I know counting my friends, they are all quitting because people treat them so badly juat for doing thier job, and they will be replaced with cops who show no compassion. I myself have many stories of cops being understanding and caring and, in turn, being very lenient. When I talk to people with the acab mentality, the police never go easy. It's odd how just treat people how you want to be treated works.

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      Sure they might be good for you, their friend. They might not fell endangered by random dog and shoot it. They might even not beat their partner. But what they will do if encouter person shoplifting food? Someone having a tiny amount of drugs? Or if ordered to beat and/or arrest the protesters, like the students peacefully protesting Gaza genocide? ACAB is not a personal theory, it's systemic. Systemically your good friends are still the armed opression arm of capitalist government and a footsoldiers in the class war against vast majority of society.

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      • P [email protected]

        no, we have another party for that in Belgium (Vooruit).
        Groen has a leftist program

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        Groen are center left liberals.

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          Cultural appropriation is specifically a method in which suppressing groups deny the cultural heritage of oppressed around. To call it a faux pas is ridiculous and ignorant

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          Respectfully, I disagree with your definition of cultural appropriation, but i agree it's wrong to deny others the right to identify with their heritage or cultures.

          Cultures borrow from one another, it's just the nature of having multiple societies in proximity. I would argue (outside of the realm of exploitation) more often than not, cultural appropriation doesn't come from a malevolent place, nor does it restrict anyone from otherwise enjoying their own heritage and culture. Some 9 year old wearing a Halloween costume of a Disney princess that isn't their own race isn't the crime we make it out to be. At worst it's a faux pas, at best that kid took an interest in a group of people they are not familiar with and learned about them.

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            Yeah, of course, death penalty is never acceptable and must be abolished entirely. Even setting aside that no proof of a physical event can be 100% solid, or all the other practicality arguments; even the worst rapists, murderers, terrorists and billionaires are still humans and do not deserve death.

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            It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.

            I took this as a thought experiment. You seems to root awfully much for these bad people, I'd say let's help them when we have helped all their victims.

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              It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.

              I took this as a thought experiment. You seems to root awfully much for these bad people, I'd say let's help them when we have helped all their victims.

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              It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.

              Given the original commenter was talking about "the left", I'm critiquing AES countries (e.g. China) here. USA is a lost cause when it comes to human rights anyways.

              You seems to root awfully much for these bad people

              That's just basic human empathy combined with practicality. They are still human and deserve humane treatment, and also most of them (like 80% if we look at Scandinavia) can be reintegrated into the society in some way.

              I’d say let’s help them when we have helped all their victims

              You won't be able to help them if you murder them

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                I think we should create a system where people have a choice. Life in prison or death. I think k it would clear up a lot of the ethical issues of the death penalty.

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                that's an interesting angle I'd not thought of before...

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                • J [email protected]

                  Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                  I'm anarchist left, but I do think every human should have the right to defend themself and thereforce should be able to bear arms

                  I'm not american if anyone's gonna ask

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                  • K [email protected]

                    Immigration is universally a roaring net positive in all of history ; economically, socially, everything. It's more than disinformation when they spew talking points. It's hate. And most people complicit are just fully ignorant. USA lost their empire due to lack of education. Every other first world nations have their success in lockstep with the level of education they give their kids. A heist of all wealth has been conducted and you are viewing the aftermath. Elon will find your coffers empty. The real treasure, turns out, was the people.

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                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/18/how-spains-radically-different-approach-to-migration-helped-its-economy-soar

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                    • J [email protected]

                      Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                      • permanent revolution;
                      • that parties should be democratic institutions;
                      • that burocratization leads to deformed proletarian states.
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                      • flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.comF [email protected]

                        You are describing intentional misgendering. That's against our instance rules, so make sure you use preferred pronouns for folks who display them.

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                        I always assumed "they" could be used no matter what?

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                          It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.

                          Given the original commenter was talking about "the left", I'm critiquing AES countries (e.g. China) here. USA is a lost cause when it comes to human rights anyways.

                          You seems to root awfully much for these bad people

                          That's just basic human empathy combined with practicality. They are still human and deserve humane treatment, and also most of them (like 80% if we look at Scandinavia) can be reintegrated into the society in some way.

                          I’d say let’s help them when we have helped all their victims

                          You won't be able to help them if you murder them

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                          Now I said let's murder them?

                          Please don't use cheap discussing techniques, it makes any point you're trying to do look moot.

                          Interestingly you still only talk about the perpetrators and not the victims.

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                          • S [email protected]

                            Abortion is not a moral hazard at all. Most people who might exist don't. The whole "everyone agrees abortion is awful..." shit is obnoxious. I legitimately do not care. I am far more concerned about the lives of actual children. Once we seriously tackle that issue, we can move downstream.

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                            If i was aborted I wouldn't care, because I would be aborted.

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                            • tacobuttplug@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                              Humans aren't going to evolve towards intelligence. We're a pretty short-sighted stupid species. We're going to continue to devolve and kill ourselves off, one way or another.

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                              Climate change will get us eventually.

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                              • E [email protected]

                                Wanting less/more immigration are both perfectly valid positions.

                                Immigration can provide opportunities to a country but can also cause issues and it's undemocratic and dangerous to demonize either position on the issue.

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                                I think the immigration system should be fixed, so there is little genuine incentive to illegally immigrate.

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                                • Z [email protected]

                                  I believe that the stance against nuclear power (specifically, nuclear fission, as opposed to radioisotope power used by spacecraft) by greens undermines the fight to stop global warming, and that many of the purported issues with nuclear power have been solved or were never really issues in the first place.

                                  For instance: the nuclear waste produced by old-gen reactors can be used by newer generations.

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                                  Yeah same. It makes the elections quite annoying because I agree with the local green party in almost every other way. But to me nuclear power is an important way to get reliable green energy. Something that still provides energy when the wind is not blowing and the sun isn't shining. And to me some of the arguments feel way too "feeling based" instead of facts based. That its unsafe or dirty.

                                  Preferably we'd have fusion, but until we manage to get that going I think nuclear fission is a decent alternative. Not forever, but for the coming 50-100 years until we find a better alternative.

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                                  • P [email protected]

                                    Y'all don't need to keep adding things to lgbtq or lgbt+. The q or + takes care of everything

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                                    I'm aro/ace and honestly same. I refuse to use any longer acronym because to me it sounds silly.

                                    In a similar fashion, I'm also not a major fan of the pride flags with more than the rainbow. It's fine for special occasions in order to draw attention to a cause that needs it, but not as the default. Adding black stripes, the trans flag, and intersex flag all at the same time seems ridiculous to me, and it only invites other groups to feel left out. Adding the black stripes, the trans flag, the intersex flag, or whatever to the flag for some event, protest, or personal reason is great but imo we shouldn't permanently muddy the flag like that.

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                                      I'm anarchist left, but I do think every human should have the right to defend themself and thereforce should be able to bear arms

                                      I'm not american if anyone's gonna ask

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                                      Is that an uncommon stance among Anarchists?

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                                      • K [email protected]

                                        This sounds very much like the German electoral system, except in the German system your address and your preferred "group" are relevant. You get two votes, one is for a local representative, the other is just for a party (so you could freely vote for the "gamer" party if it existed), and both votes contribute seats to government.

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                                        TIL. Thank you.

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                                          • permanent revolution;
                                          • that parties should be democratic institutions;
                                          • that burocratization leads to deformed proletarian states.
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                                          Are you saying you disagree with Trots on these matters, or that you agree with Trots despite their unique positions among Marxists in general?

                                          I don't think anyone would disagree with you regarding parties needing to be democratic, so I assume you are referring to a specific type of democracy.

                                          As for Permanent Revolution, I think that was kind of "debunked" when the peasantry showed itself to be a genuine ally of the proletariat. Abandoning building Socialism because a revolution in Germany never appeared and instead focusing your efforts on exporting revolution ultimately would have led to a lack of developed industry, and a loss in World War II for the Soviets. Communism still requires global revolution, but it makes more sense to build up Socialism domestically and use that to fuel revolution globally than it does to focus almost entirely on the idea of a global revolution.

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