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Do you think visiting North Korea is unethical?

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  • shimitar@downonthestreet.euS [email protected]

    I checked, since time fly.

    I have been there in 2009.

    Here are the photos i took:
    ... wrong link wait ...

    feel free to ask. We got in/out by train from China, flying in is less interesting, since you don't get much opportunity to see the countryside.

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    Wow, you weren't kidding, that's a lot of photos!

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      Most things you can do with your money are unethical, i.e. support a bad system that unnecessarily hurts people.

      As far as that goes though, imo visiting the DPRK is a relatively bad one. I don't see the benefit for yourself, you get to see a tour of exactly what they want you to see, nothing real will ever be experienced. You put yourself in massive danger, tourists there have been detained and killed. All the money you spend goes directly to support the authorian government, which only seems to care about giving themselves a life of luxury and their people barely enough so they can maintain their luxury.

      You do get a view of an authoritarian regime working firsthand, which is a positive, but I just feel like it's alread good/bad enough to know about it than having experienced it yourself.

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        I mean, some people see the whole country as a national concentration camp. Citizens can’t leave and their entire lives are controlled/dictated by the state. I’m actually visiting next month.

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        comparing the whole country to a concentration camp massively downplays the conditions in concentration camps. I'm sure being a citizen there isn't fun but it's still different.

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          More unethical to visit the USA right now tbh.

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            Because every cent you spend there goes more or less directly into Kim Jong Un’s pocket?

            Unless you’re a journalist or investigator or something like that (and North Korea, for some train, doesn’t seems to love those types). But if you’re just going as a looky-loo: don’t.

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            Because every cent you spend there goes more or less directly into Kim Jong Un’s pocket?

            Where did you read this ?

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              Visiting? No.

              Saluting a NK General while you are there? Probably.

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                My dad is taking me with him next month. It’ll be interesting.

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                Go, absolutely. I understand there might be ethical implications, but i can strongly recomend you go, it's a lifetime experience that will change your view on the world.

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                  No, I want to visit there!

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                    Because every cent you spend there goes more or less directly into Kim Jong Un’s pocket?

                    Where did you read this ?

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                    Ok, sure, let’s discuss. Tell me where you think any money you would spend in North Korea would ultimately go.

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                    • diva@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                      No, I want to visit there!

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                      Honestly I just really want to try Pyongyang nengmyeun, which is more "clean" and minimally seasoned than South Korean styles of nengmyeun, yet is still seen as one of the best styles of nengmyeun in South Korea as well.

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                        No. If it is, is visiting the US more unethical?

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                        I would say, it's more dangerous to visit US than NK.
                        In the US you can be in trouble for many reasons.

                        I have to say, it's easier to be in trouble while traveling in the US than in NK.

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                          Yes. I’ve seen someone say that visiting present-day North Korea is akin to visiting Auschwitz during WW2.

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                          You think one man has made the entire country a death camp?

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                            Ok, sure, let’s discuss. Tell me where you think any money you would spend in North Korea would ultimately go.

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                            I'm not an expert on that subject.

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                            • shimitar@downonthestreet.euS [email protected]

                              I would say, it's more dangerous to visit US than NK.
                              In the US you can be in trouble for many reasons.

                              I have to say, it's easier to be in trouble while traveling in the US than in NK.

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                              Didn't NK kill a guy for taking a picture down in a hotel?

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                              • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                If you feel that's accurate, then you should support ending the Trade Embargo and sanctions on the DPRK, as that's the quickest and surest path to improving quality of life for the people there.

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                                Shhh stop making sense

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                                  You think one man has made the entire country a death camp?

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                                  Not one man, a system. According to the dictionary a concentration camp is: “a place where large numbers of people are kept as prisoners in extremely bad conditions, especially for political reasons”. Accurate for life in North Korea.

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                                    Shhh stop making sense

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                                    It's like they think the effects of the trade embargo and sanctions will finally do a 180 and collapse the government, with no actual indication that that will happen despite decades of sanctions and far worse periods of time.

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                                      It's like they think the effects of the trade embargo and sanctions will finally do a 180 and collapse the government, with no actual indication that that will happen despite decades of sanctions and far worse periods of time.

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                                      Well they’re propagandised sociopaths who think starving a whole nation is justified so long as the nation doesn’t share their politics.

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                                        Honestly I just really want to try Pyongyang nengmyeun, which is more "clean" and minimally seasoned than South Korean styles of nengmyeun, yet is still seen as one of the best styles of nengmyeun in South Korea as well.

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                                        Oh that sounds like it would be good with just vegetable broth! I do struggle traveling trying to find vegan options, or explaining that I don't want meat/eggs. Personally I would want to see what the hiking trails are like there!

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                                          Well they’re propagandised sociopaths who think starving a whole nation is justified so long as the nation doesn’t share their politics.

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                                          Yep, even if we decided that the DPRK government is utterly evil, sanctions have only strengthened its legitimacy in the eyes of North Koreans. The only goal this is fulfilling is harming the people.

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