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Do you think visiting North Korea is unethical?

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    My dad is taking me with him next month. It’ll be interesting.

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    Go, absolutely. I understand there might be ethical implications, but i can strongly recomend you go, it's a lifetime experience that will change your view on the world.

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      No, I want to visit there!

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        Because every cent you spend there goes more or less directly into Kim Jong Un’s pocket?

        Where did you read this ?

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        Ok, sure, let’s discuss. Tell me where you think any money you would spend in North Korea would ultimately go.

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          No, I want to visit there!

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          Honestly I just really want to try Pyongyang nengmyeun, which is more "clean" and minimally seasoned than South Korean styles of nengmyeun, yet is still seen as one of the best styles of nengmyeun in South Korea as well.

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            No. If it is, is visiting the US more unethical?

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            I would say, it's more dangerous to visit US than NK.
            In the US you can be in trouble for many reasons.

            I have to say, it's easier to be in trouble while traveling in the US than in NK.

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              Yes. I’ve seen someone say that visiting present-day North Korea is akin to visiting Auschwitz during WW2.

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              You think one man has made the entire country a death camp?

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                Ok, sure, let’s discuss. Tell me where you think any money you would spend in North Korea would ultimately go.

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                I'm not an expert on that subject.

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                • shimitar@downonthestreet.euS [email protected]

                  I would say, it's more dangerous to visit US than NK.
                  In the US you can be in trouble for many reasons.

                  I have to say, it's easier to be in trouble while traveling in the US than in NK.

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                  Didn't NK kill a guy for taking a picture down in a hotel?

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                  • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                    If you feel that's accurate, then you should support ending the Trade Embargo and sanctions on the DPRK, as that's the quickest and surest path to improving quality of life for the people there.

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                    Shhh stop making sense

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                      You think one man has made the entire country a death camp?

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                      Not one man, a system. According to the dictionary a concentration camp is: “a place where large numbers of people are kept as prisoners in extremely bad conditions, especially for political reasons”. Accurate for life in North Korea.

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                        Shhh stop making sense

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                        It's like they think the effects of the trade embargo and sanctions will finally do a 180 and collapse the government, with no actual indication that that will happen despite decades of sanctions and far worse periods of time.

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                          It's like they think the effects of the trade embargo and sanctions will finally do a 180 and collapse the government, with no actual indication that that will happen despite decades of sanctions and far worse periods of time.

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                          Well they’re propagandised sociopaths who think starving a whole nation is justified so long as the nation doesn’t share their politics.

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                          • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                            Honestly I just really want to try Pyongyang nengmyeun, which is more "clean" and minimally seasoned than South Korean styles of nengmyeun, yet is still seen as one of the best styles of nengmyeun in South Korea as well.

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                            Oh that sounds like it would be good with just vegetable broth! I do struggle traveling trying to find vegan options, or explaining that I don't want meat/eggs. Personally I would want to see what the hiking trails are like there!

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                              Well they’re propagandised sociopaths who think starving a whole nation is justified so long as the nation doesn’t share their politics.

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                              Yep, even if we decided that the DPRK government is utterly evil, sanctions have only strengthened its legitimacy in the eyes of North Koreans. The only goal this is fulfilling is harming the people.

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                                Oh that sounds like it would be good with just vegetable broth! I do struggle traveling trying to find vegan options, or explaining that I don't want meat/eggs. Personally I would want to see what the hiking trails are like there!

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                                I know 😭 I try to veganize Korean dishes and use vegan Korean recipes, but I haven't found a great nengmyeun recipe yet. There's absolutely no better dish on a hot summer day than nengmyeun IMO. And for sure, the hiking would probably be amazing, but extremely cold if not during the peak seasons, haha.

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                                  Yep, even if we decided that the DPRK government is utterly evil, sanctions have only strengthened its legitimacy in the eyes of North Koreans. The only goal this is fulfilling is harming the people.

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                                  The wests play book, people seriously think starving other people is ok for some reason because they’ve never gone a day without food in their lives.

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                                    The wests play book, people seriously think starving other people is ok for some reason because they’ve never gone a day without food in their lives.

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                                    Country not aligned with the US? Bad, and therefore okay to starve.

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                                      Yep, even if we decided that the DPRK government is utterly evil, sanctions have only strengthened its legitimacy in the eyes of North Koreans. The only goal this is fulfilling is harming the people.

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                                      What do you mean by “if”? That’s a fact and exposed by many defectors / informers and by the regime itself (their behavior). Also, it’s the NK government that’s starving its people. You think if sanctions were lifted people would suddenly be well fed? Wild.

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                                        No amount of sanctions have risked government collapse in the DPRK either, all sanctions have accomplished is collective punishment. This is a deeply chauvanist take.

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                                        Neither will any amount of support for that corrupt government.

                                        https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA486005

                                        We’ve helped them before. They take our shit don’t give it to the masses then shoot missions over Japan. You don’t know your history or what you’re talking about.

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                                        • shimitar@downonthestreet.euS [email protected]

                                          I would say, it's more dangerous to visit US than NK.
                                          In the US you can be in trouble for many reasons.

                                          I have to say, it's easier to be in trouble while traveling in the US than in NK.

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                                          Show me the law where the us imprisons a family for generations for the sins of another like they do in North Korea. Stop being stupid.

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