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  • S [email protected]

    Still is if you aren't a twat

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      No reminder needed for me, but for those who might want to do a deep dive:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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      I wince any time someone says something like "Wake up!", "Take the red pill!" etc.

      It invariably means "Start believing the shite I believe"

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      • F [email protected]

        You could choose to be neither.

        Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.

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        Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...

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        • nebula@fedia.ioN [email protected]

          Petition to rename Twitter again, to Twatter. I know, I know, my intellect is frightening sometimes. /s

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          There are people who have not called it Twatter from day one? Huh...

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            Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...

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            Who've been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?

            And who've lost their countries to fascists?

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            • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

              The term is a classic instance of "double speak". Twenty years ago, the running joke was of Libertarians calling anyone who still supported the idea of a federal government "Sheeple" and insisting that they needed to "Wake Up!" and come around to Ron Paul and Ayn Rand's point of view.

              Ten years ago, "Woke" was a liberal term describing people who recognized the chronic threat of police brutality and state prosecutorial bias towards minorities.

              Three years ago, the ultra-reactionary Houston pastor Ed Young launched a Church Awake campaign to counter what he believed was "Woke Culture" in the city.

              The Atlantic's columnist thinks it is when you are obsessed with policing language. The ABC's columnists think it means being an educated black progressive. The Heritage Foundation thinks its when you manufacturer grevencies like checks notes the existence of slavery, I guess? The Kentucky AG thinks it means when transgender athletes are allowed to compete in high school sports.

              What's it supposed to mean? Everything and nothing. It's a term of enlightenment and a pejorative seemingly both at once.

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              Everything and nothing.

              It is in many ways a tribal signifier, and you're going to get different stories about what a tribe is like from its members and from its enemies. It's not that different from "Democrat" or "Republican" in that sense, although at least both Democrats and Republicans usually agree on who is a Democrat and who is a Republican.

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              • S [email protected]

                Still is if you aren't a twat

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                Nowadays I prefer the term "correct".

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                  Who've been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?

                  And who've lost their countries to fascists?

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                  what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i'm sure you're trying to say something else, it's just not clear what

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                    The meaning is actually pretty clear. Being "woke" means being aware of social injustice, specifically the systemic racism in US society. Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism but in reality it means you're condoning it.

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                    Being “woke” means being aware of social injustice

                    From the left-liberal perspective, sure. But Libertarians and far-right theocrats have also employed the term as a positive self-descriptor, insisting that they had a more enlightened and historical view.

                    Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism

                    Racists have employed the term to mean they blatantly reject the history put forward by liberal scholars. It's a form of political denialism, not unlike climate change denial or holocaust denial.

                    The irony is in how reactionaries will embrace the term and its synonyms positively - Dark Enlightenment, Great Awakening, Objectivism, "Wake up Sheeple!" - to imply they're the ones who truly understand the victims of state persecution (inevitably, rich white cis/straight men).

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Still is if you aren't a twat

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                      I honestly don't see people using "woke" positively these days.

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                        Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...

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                        I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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                        • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                          When did we decide that the worst people in the world get to decide what words mean

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                          It's just how linguistics works I guess.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            You could choose to be neither.

                            Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.

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                            That's a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.

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                            • J [email protected]

                              I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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                              "MAGAt" works, too, FWIW

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                              • O [email protected]

                                Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                                I'm fine with ignorants and some twats, but not both at once.

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  You could choose to be neither.

                                  Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.

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                                  "Choosing to be neither" is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.

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                                    Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.

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                                    What's amusing is that the Wikipedia article traces its origin back to the Republican Party.

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                                      Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.

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                                      That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn't think he could be that dumb.

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                                        I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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                                        I absolutely agree. And, the shit part of it all? It's been going on for pretty much all of recorded history (class warfare, that is).

                                        Edit: To clarify my position a little, I see choosing MAGA as willfully submitting to the parasitic "elites".

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                                        • O [email protected]

                                          Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                                          Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.

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