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    Who've been the most successful opponents of fascists historically?

    And who've lost their countries to fascists?

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    what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i'm sure you're trying to say something else, it's just not clear what

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    • diplomjodler3@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

      The meaning is actually pretty clear. Being "woke" means being aware of social injustice, specifically the systemic racism in US society. Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism but in reality it means you're condoning it.

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      Being “woke” means being aware of social injustice

      From the left-liberal perspective, sure. But Libertarians and far-right theocrats have also employed the term as a positive self-descriptor, insisting that they had a more enlightened and historical view.

      Being anti-woke simply means that you outwardly deny said systemic racism

      Racists have employed the term to mean they blatantly reject the history put forward by liberal scholars. It's a form of political denialism, not unlike climate change denial or holocaust denial.

      The irony is in how reactionaries will embrace the term and its synonyms positively - Dark Enlightenment, Great Awakening, Objectivism, "Wake up Sheeple!" - to imply they're the ones who truly understand the victims of state persecution (inevitably, rich white cis/straight men).

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        Still is if you aren't a twat

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        I honestly don't see people using "woke" positively these days.

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        • F [email protected]

          Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...

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          I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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          • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

            When did we decide that the worst people in the world get to decide what words mean

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            It's just how linguistics works I guess.

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            • F [email protected]

              You could choose to be neither.

              Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.

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              That's a shit argument that casts aside billions of human beings and their rights as such. And your follow-up is even more trolly? Fuck off.

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                I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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                "MAGAt" works, too, FWIW

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                • O [email protected]

                  Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                  I'm fine with ignorants and some twats, but not both at once.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    You could choose to be neither.

                    Participating in culture wars manufactured to drive social-media-engagement isn't obligatory.

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                    "Choosing to be neither" is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.

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                      Reminder that woke was originally used as a positive term.

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                      What's amusing is that the Wikipedia article traces its origin back to the Republican Party.

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                      • J [email protected]

                        Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.

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                        That was depressing. I knew our president was dumb, but I still didn't think he could be that dumb.

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                          I guess the idea is that if you're spending all your energy being anti-MAGA then you aren't focussing on the real struggle (class warfare). But of course one can focus on class warfare while still being anti-MAGA.

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                          I absolutely agree. And, the shit part of it all? It's been going on for pretty much all of recorded history (class warfare, that is).

                          Edit: To clarify my position a little, I see choosing MAGA as willfully submitting to the parasitic "elites".

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                            Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                            Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.

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                              Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                              So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.

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                                Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.

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                                But they call people on the left sheep? How can this be true? /s

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  "Choosing to be neither" is choosing to be an ignorant twat but too afraid to own up to it.

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                                  👆This👆 is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.

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                                    Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                                    I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.

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                                    • quill7513@slrpnk.netQ [email protected]

                                      what are you saying? because it reads like you think nazis are anti-fascist which is WILDLY out of pocket so i'm sure you're trying to say something else, it's just not clear what

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                                      Who has historically defeated fascists?

                                      I don't think that's a hard question to understand.

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                                        It's just how linguistics works I guess.

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                                        La la la lava

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                                          I agree that wokeness is more enlightened than ignorance, but I also wonder how woke it is to scorn the less enlightened so hard.

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                                          I'm sure someone is somewhere grappling with that.

                                          Since the politicians they support and voted in are actively dismantling the government, erecting a dictatorship, and enacting policies guaranteed to get people needlessly killed I don't find myself burdened by such concerns.

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