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Max comment depth reached. Bringing this back up to where it was first relevant:
It’s by definition discriminatory because it’s a statement of discrimination no one said anything about it being abusive. It’s not just not necessarily derogatory whereas mansplaining always is.
To call a behavior "misogynistic" is to express a low opinion of it, or detract from the character of the person exhibiting that behavior.
Ok?
No. Look at the definition.
feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women : of, relating to, or being a misogynist
Context implies at times a low opinion though that is not express to the meaning nor does it imply the word is derogatory.
Discriminatory ≠ derogatory.
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Ok?
No. Look at the definition.
feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women : of, relating to, or being a misogynist
Context implies at times a low opinion though that is not express to the meaning nor does it imply the word is derogatory.
Discriminatory ≠ derogatory.
Context implies at times a low opinion
I can't think of a single example of a time where a woman would be assessing a man's behavior towards her, deem it to be misogynistic, but not as a low opinion.
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Context implies at times a low opinion
I can't think of a single example of a time where a woman would be assessing a man's behavior towards her, deem it to be misogynistic, but not as a low opinion.
Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you find a way to use "mansplaining" that isn't using the term derogatorily? No because it's an insult that happens to be a descriptor while misandrist or misogynist are descriptors that can be insults.
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Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you find a way to use "mansplaining" that isn't using the term derogatorily? No because it's an insult that happens to be a descriptor while misandrist or misogynist are descriptors that can be insults.
Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you think of an example?
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Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you think of an example?
An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory or your weird little setup?
My entire point is you cannot use mansplaining without it being an insult thusly it's a sexist slur.
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An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory or your weird little setup?
My entire point is you cannot use mansplaining without it being an insult thusly it's a sexist slur.
An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory
Yes.
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An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory
Yes.
Literally any academic paper on the matter where they use it as a descriptor, or I dunno the dictionary examples I've already provided that use it again as a descriptor. The reader adds bias, no one can help that but the insult isn't intended.
Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
These comments attempt to cut much deeper, striking women at what misogynists see as their most valuable characteristics: appearance, sexual purity, sweetness and submissiveness.
That scrutiny intensified in March, when a university task force released a report that called out the clubs for fostering a misogynistic culture that contributed to the problem of sexual assault.
In all cases there is no explicit insult it's left to context and the readers perception.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I'd say no.
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Literally any academic paper on the matter where they use it as a descriptor, or I dunno the dictionary examples I've already provided that use it again as a descriptor. The reader adds bias, no one can help that but the insult isn't intended.
Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
These comments attempt to cut much deeper, striking women at what misogynists see as their most valuable characteristics: appearance, sexual purity, sweetness and submissiveness.
That scrutiny intensified in March, when a university task force released a report that called out the clubs for fostering a misogynistic culture that contributed to the problem of sexual assault.
In all cases there is no explicit insult it's left to context and the readers perception.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I'd say no.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I’d say no.
Literally the usage in this quoted text. Unless you're saying that you're bigoted for using it in that context.
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Can you do the same with mansplaining? I’d say no.
Literally the usage in this quoted text. Unless you're saying that you're bigoted for using it in that context.
You don't think I in intended the term to be an insult in that context? I'd say you're wrong and you haven't been listening.
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You don't think I in intended the term to be an insult in that context? I'd say you're wrong and you haven't been listening.
So then you just need to look inward to see why you're comfortable using a word that makes you bigoted, and you'll have your answer.
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So then you just need to look inward to see why you're comfortable using a word that makes you bigoted, and you'll have your answer.
I'm not comfortable using it, that's my whole goddamn point. Do you really think that was a gotcha? I've been talking about how it's not possible to use it without it being an insult, it is by definition insulting. It's the same thing as dropping the hard r. I can use it as an example or in a quote during a discussion and still find it reprehensible because it's never not insulting and it's certainly not the same as using it in the context of is intended for.
Is your argument so bad you had to resort to this weird gotcha attempt?
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I'm not comfortable using it, that's my whole goddamn point. Do you really think that was a gotcha? I've been talking about how it's not possible to use it without it being an insult, it is by definition insulting. It's the same thing as dropping the hard r. I can use it as an example or in a quote during a discussion and still find it reprehensible because it's never not insulting and it's certainly not the same as using it in the context of is intended for.
Is your argument so bad you had to resort to this weird gotcha attempt?
I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
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I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
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Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
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It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.
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It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.
What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.
Show me the inconsistency.
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What position have I abandoned? I've simply followed your logic that says anyone who uses the word "manspain" in any context is a bigot.
Show me the inconsistency.
You doesn't respond to a single one, you insulted me that's called abandoninga position to attack me instead ie: ad hominem.
Nope not at all. I said it's a bigoted word and if you use it as it's intended you're a bigot. This isn't difficult.
Show me the inconsistency.
All the parts you're intentionally ignoring to make your dipshit gotcha point.
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You doesn't respond to a single one, you insulted me that's called abandoninga position to attack me instead ie: ad hominem.
Nope not at all. I said it's a bigoted word and if you use it as it's intended you're a bigot. This isn't difficult.
Show me the inconsistency.
All the parts you're intentionally ignoring to make your dipshit gotcha point.
So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?
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So you can't show me how my conclusion isn't sound based on the logic you laid out?
I have. Many times, you refuse to accept the obvious and ignore everything I've said that doesn't support your point. Why should I prove anything to you at this point, you don't care about the point you care about winning which is why you insult me when you can't think of an argument.
You're a bully, so why should anyone play with you let alone me?
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I have. Many times, you refuse to accept the obvious and ignore everything I've said that doesn't support your point. Why should I prove anything to you at this point, you don't care about the point you care about winning which is why you insult me when you can't think of an argument.
You're a bully, so why should anyone play with you let alone me?
No you haven't.