So proud!
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I mean those are on a person by person basis as well. I know women who are physically stronger than most of the men I know, and would be more fit for harder labor than most of them. Women who don't have the ability to have children, or periods, etc. It is best we assess things based on individual capacity, or merit, or whatever, rather than write rules that are completely exclusive to an entire group of people based on broad statistics.
No biological male can have periods or bear children. I think that's fairly straight forward. Strength is a spectrum though I agree.
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Female. Why i take pics the way i do.
I am there and the pic is proof. A pic without my partner, family,friend i can find online or on a postcard to. An animal is also fine.As a male, my EXIF data proves I was there
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No biological male can have periods or bear children. I think that's fairly straight forward. Strength is a spectrum though I agree.
wrote last edited by [email protected]i didnt say they could, I said not all biological women can, this is the assumption made by people that causes issues. The other are transmen who find themselves without proper sanitary supplies due to assumptions based on being see as the gender they transitioned to.
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I’m asking people here that are comfortable using a sexist term why that is, no paper is going to tell me that.
This wasn't what you asked, initially, you are moving the goalposts, because a slur is a pejorative doesn't mean a pejorative has to be a slur, slurs are also considered swear words, are all swear words slurs, and no I didn't say something has to have a history of bigotry to simply be offensive, I said that in order for mansplaining to be comparable to the n word it has to carry that weight.
Goalpost shifting, lying about what you originally asked, false equivalence, and so on. You asked why people thought mansplaining wasn't sexist originally, pointed you to papers on that, you insisted random people instead tell you why, then you moved course to saying that there being negative connotations in a term, it is bigoted, now you claim the question was why people are comfortable using the phrase, which it wasn't.
Have fun being determined to not seek professional information on the use of mansplaining and why, while it may be a mean things to say, it isn't misandry.
That's the same question the whole time, you're trying to move goalposts if anything. You should use a thesaurus pejorative and slur are synonyms. No one said they're the same I said their both bigoted and they are.
You can quote the original question back and you'll find it to be the same and we both know it.
Have fun refusing to accept using sexist terms is sexist.
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I'd love to know how seeking clarification implies your my or anyone else's ability to say what they want. I know I haven't said or knows that at worst all I want is to know how making assumptions based on sex isn't bigoted. I get how condescending to someone because they are a woman is bigoted, can you see how assuming someone is a bigot rather than ignorant based solely on their sex is by definition bigoted?
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It’s by definition discriminatory because it’s a statement of discrimination no one said anything about it being abusive. It’s not just not necessarily derogatory whereas mansplaining always is.
To call a behavior "misogynistic" is to express a low opinion of it, or detract from the character of the person exhibiting that behavior.
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It’s by definition discriminatory because it’s a statement of discrimination no one said anything about it being abusive. It’s not just not necessarily derogatory whereas mansplaining always is.
To call a behavior "misogynistic" is to express a low opinion of it, or detract from the character of the person exhibiting that behavior.
Ok?
No. Look at the definition.
feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women : of, relating to, or being a misogynist
Context implies at times a low opinion though that is not express to the meaning nor does it imply the word is derogatory.
Discriminatory ≠ derogatory.
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Ok?
No. Look at the definition.
feeling, showing, or characterized by hatred of or prejudice against women : of, relating to, or being a misogynist
Context implies at times a low opinion though that is not express to the meaning nor does it imply the word is derogatory.
Discriminatory ≠ derogatory.
Context implies at times a low opinion
I can't think of a single example of a time where a woman would be assessing a man's behavior towards her, deem it to be misogynistic, but not as a low opinion.
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Context implies at times a low opinion
I can't think of a single example of a time where a woman would be assessing a man's behavior towards her, deem it to be misogynistic, but not as a low opinion.
Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you find a way to use "mansplaining" that isn't using the term derogatorily? No because it's an insult that happens to be a descriptor while misandrist or misogynist are descriptors that can be insults.
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Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you find a way to use "mansplaining" that isn't using the term derogatorily? No because it's an insult that happens to be a descriptor while misandrist or misogynist are descriptors that can be insults.
Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you think of an example?
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Sure, now is that the only way to use that descriptor? No.
Can you think of an example?
An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory or your weird little setup?
My entire point is you cannot use mansplaining without it being an insult thusly it's a sexist slur.
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An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory or your weird little setup?
My entire point is you cannot use mansplaining without it being an insult thusly it's a sexist slur.
An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory
Yes.
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An example of what using the phrase misogynistic without it being derogatory
Yes.
Literally any academic paper on the matter where they use it as a descriptor, or I dunno the dictionary examples I've already provided that use it again as a descriptor. The reader adds bias, no one can help that but the insult isn't intended.
Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
These comments attempt to cut much deeper, striking women at what misogynists see as their most valuable characteristics: appearance, sexual purity, sweetness and submissiveness.
That scrutiny intensified in March, when a university task force released a report that called out the clubs for fostering a misogynistic culture that contributed to the problem of sexual assault.
In all cases there is no explicit insult it's left to context and the readers perception.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I'd say no.
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Literally any academic paper on the matter where they use it as a descriptor, or I dunno the dictionary examples I've already provided that use it again as a descriptor. The reader adds bias, no one can help that but the insult isn't intended.
Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
These comments attempt to cut much deeper, striking women at what misogynists see as their most valuable characteristics: appearance, sexual purity, sweetness and submissiveness.
That scrutiny intensified in March, when a university task force released a report that called out the clubs for fostering a misogynistic culture that contributed to the problem of sexual assault.
In all cases there is no explicit insult it's left to context and the readers perception.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I'd say no.
Can you do the same with mansplaining? I’d say no.
Literally the usage in this quoted text. Unless you're saying that you're bigoted for using it in that context.
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Can you do the same with mansplaining? I’d say no.
Literally the usage in this quoted text. Unless you're saying that you're bigoted for using it in that context.
You don't think I in intended the term to be an insult in that context? I'd say you're wrong and you haven't been listening.
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You don't think I in intended the term to be an insult in that context? I'd say you're wrong and you haven't been listening.
So then you just need to look inward to see why you're comfortable using a word that makes you bigoted, and you'll have your answer.
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So then you just need to look inward to see why you're comfortable using a word that makes you bigoted, and you'll have your answer.
I'm not comfortable using it, that's my whole goddamn point. Do you really think that was a gotcha? I've been talking about how it's not possible to use it without it being an insult, it is by definition insulting. It's the same thing as dropping the hard r. I can use it as an example or in a quote during a discussion and still find it reprehensible because it's never not insulting and it's certainly not the same as using it in the context of is intended for.
Is your argument so bad you had to resort to this weird gotcha attempt?
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I'm not comfortable using it, that's my whole goddamn point. Do you really think that was a gotcha? I've been talking about how it's not possible to use it without it being an insult, it is by definition insulting. It's the same thing as dropping the hard r. I can use it as an example or in a quote during a discussion and still find it reprehensible because it's never not insulting and it's certainly not the same as using it in the context of is intended for.
Is your argument so bad you had to resort to this weird gotcha attempt?
I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
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I'm not comfortable using it
I mean, you've used it soooo many times in this exchange now. You must be a mega-bigot by this point.
How can you even live with yourself?
Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
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Yes in a discussion about the word I might have to use it a time or two. Go figure.
Ah so ad hominem instead of an argument.
I guess we answered how weak your argument was.
It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
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It's an ad-hominem to follow your logic in which you claim that you are now a bigot as a result of this conversation?
Or is it just that your reasoning is beyond goofy?
It's as hominem to abandon your position and instead insult me, especially after this dumb attempt at a gotcha that is you haven't figured out also means you agree it's a sexist slur. So I dunno, good job there genius.