Other meaning for USA people
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Now, using "Americans" to refer to everyone over here did exist before the U.S., going back to at least the 1500s. I think that was only in use in English, I've never looked up what was used in French and Spanish back then. But since the USA came into being as country, it has been the default term for US citizens colloquially.
Confidently wrong. US leaders didn't start referring to its citizens as americans or its country as america until ~1900.
I know you won't read the book I linked, and are going off of white-supremacist vibes, so here's an article for everyone else about the history of this imperialist usage.
IDGAF about what leaders called it/us. That's almost irrelevant.
But other people in the world absolutely were using the term American to refer to citizens of the US before the 1900s.
I'm also not sure why you insist on staying on this tangent when the conversation was about current usage.
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IDGAF about what leaders called it/us. That's almost irrelevant.
But other people in the world absolutely were using the term American to refer to citizens of the US before the 1900s.
I'm also not sure why you insist on staying on this tangent when the conversation was about current usage.
Getting you to read is impossible. Stop white-supremacist vibing and actually read about its historical usage. I even linked you an article, which I know you didn't read.
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Getting you to read is impossible. Stop white-supremacist vibing and actually read about its historical usage. I even linked you an article, which I know you didn't read.
Dude, stop with the ad hominem bullshit.
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Mexican upbringing here, it is most definitely a "Whitey" thing.
Thank you for the information. Guess I can't joke about being a gringo lol
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
Being a native, a Yankee to me is a New Englander. My Spanish friend had to gently explain to me, “shut up, you’re all yanquis.”
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Honestly, reading this comment is really just reinforcing for me why we say American. Reading "USAien" over and over again hurts my head.
it was difficult writing it too...
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I'd say leave east/west out of the Yankee/Dixie dichotomy you're imagining, because every single southeastern state was a slave state that supported the confederacy.
It also falls apart when you go west of the Mississippi River, which was (outside of Texas and California) mostly unincorporated territory during the time of the civil war and not a part of what would have been considered the union or the confederacy at that time.
Also don't refer to Hispanic Americans as "gringo" because that is a term used in Latin America to refer to people who are not Latin American.
Yeah thanks. I said pseudo because I do t really know the meaning of these words apart from vic3, nor do I know of anyone from the americas
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IDGAF about what leaders called it/us. That's almost irrelevant.
But other people in the world absolutely were using the term American to refer to citizens of the US before the 1900s.
I'm also not sure why you insist on staying on this tangent when the conversation was about current usage.
other people in the world absolutely were using the term American to refer to citizens of the US before the 1900s.
I mean, a few, I imagine. There's always been people saying shit wrong. Would help your case if you actually had a source and not just a vibe to refute an evidence based position.
By population, however, most of the world isn't the anglosphere. Spanish speakers, which is most of America, by and large call you "Estadunidenses" whenever it's not "gringo". A good chunk of us also speak English and object to gringos colonizing "america" much like Indonesians or Indians or Malaysians probably would have if Japan decided it was "Asia".
You might not have decided that we speak English, but the same government that made it a necessity for us in the global south to learn the language is the one that decided to steal that term. Language matters.
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Being a native, a Yankee to me is a New Englander. My Spanish friend had to gently explain to me, “shut up, you’re all yanquis.”
Given that you're the native, you should gently explain to the colonial that they are the ones who are wrong.
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In the USA, Yankee refers to mainly northeast US, including the New York City area. Western Americans would be neutral about being called that and you might piss off some southerners.
My exposure to the term gringo has mainly been that it refers to white Americans. I don't know if you would call a black American gringo or how they would accept it.
Eh, NY has the Yankees sports team but they are not part of New England and I'd say a good portion of the country would say NY has no Yankees in it besides the team.
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Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US, dislike the usurpation of that term. There's a longer history starting in the late 1800s of US politicians using "america", "greater america", to coincide with its imperial ambitions in Latin america and the carribean.
The USA even had a time when it had more people in its colonies living outside its contiguous borders, than it did inside.
There's a lot on this in the book, how to hide an empire.
Sounds like that fight was lost 100 years ago.
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In Brazil, we use USians or Statesians
I used the second one on an academic paper and it went through.
I NEVER use "American", because
America no es solo USA, papá
esto es desde el Tierra del Fuego hasta el CanadaThing is, it's "United States of America", much like "United States of Mexico" and, before 1968, "United States of Brazil". So when they call themselves americans, they're technically correct.
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
Call them murican. Everyone gets it, even the usa-ians
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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?
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Eh, NY has the Yankees sports team but they are not part of New England and I'd say a good portion of the country would say NY has no Yankees in it besides the team.
That's the reason I didn't say New England.
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In Brazil, we use USians or Statesians
I used the second one on an academic paper and it went through.
I NEVER use "American", because
America no es solo USA, papá
esto es desde el Tierra del Fuego hasta el CanadaYa tu sabé
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Sounds like that fight was lost 100 years ago.
Not really. Most americans aren't native english speakers, and still consider themselves americans. They don't roll over and let the US coopt that term.
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Being a native, a Yankee to me is a New Englander. My Spanish friend had to gently explain to me, “shut up, you’re all yanquis.”
Being a native from The South, "Yankee" to me means anybody from the area above the Mason Dixon line. Full disclosure, I'm not proud to be from The South. However, I do find many Yankees to be at least a little bit rude by my standards. So, the designation stands in my head.
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That's the reason I didn't say New England.
I think you should reread what I said, I don't think your response makes sense vs my statement.
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I think you should reread what I said, I don't think your response makes sense vs my statement.
The term Yankee includes more than New England. That's why I didn't use the term New England while you did.
