Chinese AI startup DeepSeek overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

[hotspur@lemmy.ml]

How long before deepseek is banned by US gov for being too good—-wait sorry I mean a security risk?

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Maybe not in a vacuum, but compared to pretty much any other government in the world right now, they are still very much worthy of admiration lol

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Good. Pirate it all if it makes the product more FOSS and more efficient.

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

sadly "autocracy with litany of crimes against humanity" is rapidly approaching background noise when comparing nations

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

At least they're doing some things right

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

lol did you miss the numerous stories of copyrighted materials and watermarks being spit out by early generative AI?

[tekato@lemmy.world]

I guess we just found out.
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3

[jacksilver@lemmy.world]

So I'm still on the fence about the AI arms race in general. However, reading up on DeepSeek it feels like they built a model specifically to work well on the benchmarks.

I say this cause it's a Mixture of Experts approach, so only parts of the model are used at any given point. The drawback is generalization.

Additionally, it isn't a multimodal model and the only place I've seen real opportunity for workflows automation is using the multimodal models. I guess you could use a combination of models, but that's definitely a step back from the grand promise of these foundational models.

Overall, I'm just not sure if this is lay people getting caught up in hype or actually a significant change in the landscape.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

I clearly write: "China has 10 times the people Russia has,"

So why are you arguing a strawman?

[womble@lemmy.world]

Because you used Russia and USSR interchangeably in your argument

Because China is way more advanced now than the Soviet Union ever was by comparison for the time

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China has 10 times the people Russia has

[soupbrick@yiffit.net]

I was more of talking about if the program was actually performing as advertised. Guess I could have phrased that better. I am all for this bs AI bubble popping. Extra points for it being China who did it, since there is a bunch of American propaganda fed about how China is pure evil.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

I think you can effectively compete with China but you would need a giant coalition of democratic countries that would move fast and stay focused.

Exactly, like EU and USA working together, but then Americans go ahead and elect Trump!?
As it's going we were already losing, when China was behind. There is no way we can beat them when they are ahead, unless we dramatically up our game.

I've been cursing our (Denmark) government for cutting education and reducing taxes for 20 years. Instead of focusing and invest in the sectors we are good at.
That's what made us rich in the past, it's like they think we don't need to invest anymore, because we are doing fine cutting taxes and undermine the quality society we built in the past.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

Because you used Russia and USSR interchangeably in your argument

No I did not, I very consciously made some comparisons to both, and some separately because USA used this tactic against USSR too.

Soviet Union and Russia is NOT the same.

[xthexder@l.sw0.com]

they built a model specifically to work well on the benchmarks.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure that's what everyone is doing. If you're not measuring against something, there's no way to tell if you're doing anything at all.

[jacksilver@lemmy.world]

My point was a mixture of Experts model could suffer from generalization. Although in reading more I'm not sure if it's the newer R model that had the MoE element.

[mothmandelorian@lemmy.world]

How much shoe polish do you go through monthly keeping a sheen on those oversized shoes?

There are plenty of national governments not engaged in genocide or imperialism. There are tons of governments better than China.