Chinese AI startup DeepSeek overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

[womble@lemmy.world]

I dont fundamentally disagree with you, but it should be pointed out that the USSR and its proxies in the Warsaw pact had about 0.4 billion people in 1980 to the PRC's 1 billion. So it wasnt anywhere near 10x the size.

[ramble81@lemm.ee]

So when are we gonna find out this is just like Amazon’s “AI” markets with no cashiers that was actually just image feeds sent to India to be processed by a low paying human?

[corkyskog@sh.itjust.works]

I had heard that DeepSeek only took less than a hundredth of the power to train it, so it wasn't them getting their hands on a bunch of new chips or anything.

[jaybone@lemmy.world]

I assume they don’t care about the ownership of training data. So they can just train these things on all the pirated data they can get ahold of. Whereas US companies might have a slightly harder time with that.

[laser@feddit.org]

You can use the model yourself on your own hardware, offline, no Indians required.

[trancefusion@lemm.ee]

US companies don’t care about ownership of data.

[soupbrick@yiffit.net]

Supposedly, it is open source. So, very soon?

[sabata11792@ani.social]

Try running it at home and send the packet capture.

[hotspur@lemmy.ml]

How long before deepseek is banned by US gov for being too good—-wait sorry I mean a security risk?

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Maybe not in a vacuum, but compared to pretty much any other government in the world right now, they are still very much worthy of admiration lol

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Good. Pirate it all if it makes the product more FOSS and more efficient.

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

sadly "autocracy with litany of crimes against humanity" is rapidly approaching background noise when comparing nations

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

At least they're doing some things right

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

lol did you miss the numerous stories of copyrighted materials and watermarks being spit out by early generative AI?

[tekato@lemmy.world]

I guess we just found out.
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3

[jacksilver@lemmy.world]

So I'm still on the fence about the AI arms race in general. However, reading up on DeepSeek it feels like they built a model specifically to work well on the benchmarks.

I say this cause it's a Mixture of Experts approach, so only parts of the model are used at any given point. The drawback is generalization.

Additionally, it isn't a multimodal model and the only place I've seen real opportunity for workflows automation is using the multimodal models. I guess you could use a combination of models, but that's definitely a step back from the grand promise of these foundational models.

Overall, I'm just not sure if this is lay people getting caught up in hype or actually a significant change in the landscape.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

I clearly write: "China has 10 times the people Russia has,"

So why are you arguing a strawman?

[womble@lemmy.world]

Because you used Russia and USSR interchangeably in your argument

Because China is way more advanced now than the Soviet Union ever was by comparison for the time

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China has 10 times the people Russia has

[soupbrick@yiffit.net]

I was more of talking about if the program was actually performing as advertised. Guess I could have phrased that better. I am all for this bs AI bubble popping. Extra points for it being China who did it, since there is a bunch of American propaganda fed about how China is pure evil.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

I think you can effectively compete with China but you would need a giant coalition of democratic countries that would move fast and stay focused.

Exactly, like EU and USA working together, but then Americans go ahead and elect Trump!?
As it's going we were already losing, when China was behind. There is no way we can beat them when they are ahead, unless we dramatically up our game.

I've been cursing our (Denmark) government for cutting education and reducing taxes for 20 years. Instead of focusing and invest in the sectors we are good at.
That's what made us rich in the past, it's like they think we don't need to invest anymore, because we are doing fine cutting taxes and undermine the quality society we built in the past.