Chinese AI startup DeepSeek overtakes ChatGPT on Apple App Store

[rekall_incorporated@lemm.ee]

I think you can effectively compete with China but you would need a giant coalition of democratic countries that would move fast and stay focused.

With oligarchs completely taking over the US, this is unlikely to happen. But that's hardly the sole roadblock to such a coalition.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

With oligarchs completely taking over the US, this is unlikely to happen.

It could still happen, it’s just that oligarchs will be the only ones to profit and it might require even more coercion than usual.

[voroxpete@sh.itjust.works]

It's not just people, it's also that China invests heavily in the building blocks of effective industries. They're serious about education and healthcare as public services, they invest heavily in transit. You can't expect life to bloom in a desert, but the US keeps acting like stripping away everything necessary for industries to prosper will somehow make them prosper harder.

Requisite disclaimer; The CCP are an appalling autocracy with a litany of crimes against humanity to their name. Just because they do some things well doesn't make them worthy of admiration. Yes, I'm looking at you, .ml

[womble@lemmy.world]

I dont fundamentally disagree with you, but it should be pointed out that the USSR and its proxies in the Warsaw pact had about 0.4 billion people in 1980 to the PRC's 1 billion. So it wasnt anywhere near 10x the size.

[ramble81@lemm.ee]

So when are we gonna find out this is just like Amazon’s “AI” markets with no cashiers that was actually just image feeds sent to India to be processed by a low paying human?

[corkyskog@sh.itjust.works]

I had heard that DeepSeek only took less than a hundredth of the power to train it, so it wasn't them getting their hands on a bunch of new chips or anything.

[jaybone@lemmy.world]

I assume they don’t care about the ownership of training data. So they can just train these things on all the pirated data they can get ahold of. Whereas US companies might have a slightly harder time with that.

[laser@feddit.org]

You can use the model yourself on your own hardware, offline, no Indians required.

[trancefusion@lemm.ee]

US companies don’t care about ownership of data.

[soupbrick@yiffit.net]

Supposedly, it is open source. So, very soon?

[sabata11792@ani.social]

Try running it at home and send the packet capture.

[hotspur@lemmy.ml]

How long before deepseek is banned by US gov for being too good—-wait sorry I mean a security risk?

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Maybe not in a vacuum, but compared to pretty much any other government in the world right now, they are still very much worthy of admiration lol

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

Good. Pirate it all if it makes the product more FOSS and more efficient.

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

sadly "autocracy with litany of crimes against humanity" is rapidly approaching background noise when comparing nations

[rubictopaz@lemmy.world]

At least they're doing some things right

[leftytighty@slrpnk.net]

lol did you miss the numerous stories of copyrighted materials and watermarks being spit out by early generative AI?

[tekato@lemmy.world]

I guess we just found out.
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3

[jacksilver@lemmy.world]

So I'm still on the fence about the AI arms race in general. However, reading up on DeepSeek it feels like they built a model specifically to work well on the benchmarks.

I say this cause it's a Mixture of Experts approach, so only parts of the model are used at any given point. The drawback is generalization.

Additionally, it isn't a multimodal model and the only place I've seen real opportunity for workflows automation is using the multimodal models. I guess you could use a combination of models, but that's definitely a step back from the grand promise of these foundational models.

Overall, I'm just not sure if this is lay people getting caught up in hype or actually a significant change in the landscape.

[buffalox@lemmy.world]

I clearly write: "China has 10 times the people Russia has,"

So why are you arguing a strawman?