Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

[tyler@programming.dev]

electric cars were invented in the 1830s.. They're literally older than gas vehicles.

[tyler@programming.dev]

please clarify what you are saying.

[tyler@programming.dev]

the article points out that due to norway not having a major automobile manufacturer, there was pretty much no lobbying against the laws, so that's a bit of a tick in the opposite direction. the US has numerous very powerful lobbies making it as hard as possible to pass these laws.

[tyler@programming.dev]

They are cleaner. The EPA literally calls this "Myth #2" because so many people like you repeat it ad nauseam.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2

here are some more links:
https://www.cotes.com/blog/greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-ev-vs-ice-vehicles
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/01/do-electric-cars-have-problem-mining-for-minerals
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

David Bott, the head of innovation at the Society of Chemical Industry, said: “The real thing people forget is once it has been mined, you will end up being able to reuse 80-90% of the metals. You don’t have to go back to the planet to steal more minerals.”

funny quote from one of them:

And the alternative will not mean less mining. Caspar Rawles, the chief data officer at Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, said: “It always makes me laugh. OK, the mining of EV [materials] is harmful. Where do you think your car now comes from?”

[kanda@reddthat.com]

Just give us 10 years and we'll be right there with you.

[tyler@programming.dev]

they're also completely ignoring the ongoing (environmental) costs of operating a gas vehicle compared to an EV. Even if initial costs might be higher, they are almost immediately paid off, sometimes as soon as six months of driving.

[kanda@reddthat.com]

I live in the arctic circle and there's a lot of EVs. Mine is petrol, I don't know why everyone has to be diesel unless you really like listening to the starter go hnnng.

[drunkenpirate@feddit.org]

Are you saying a slaughterman that is vegetarian could be proud of his choice? While he still runs his slaughterhouse and kills animals?

[fatalicus@lemmy.world]

Norways crude oil product amount to less than 2.5% of the global production.

People don't seem to complain as much about the US who produces just over 16%, or Russia at about 14%.

They do complain a lot about Saudi Arabia who are also at 14%

[fatalicus@lemmy.world]

There are plenty of EVs in the arctic of Norway.

I the antarctic, where the south pole is, there is limited electric production, so it is easier to use ICE vehicles.

[trashcan@lemmy.world]

If you think we actually invest in infrastructure, you are sorely mistaken.... I mean yes, we have a decent charging infrastructure. Driven by Tesla purchase and gas stations following through in order to retain EV customers. So some infrastructure is needed to support that.

But we don't even have good enough infrastructure to distribute an abundance of hydro electricity from North to the South, while at the same time we export electricity down to central Europe from the South, so prices fluctuates a crap ton.

Don't get me started on train lines being neglected for the past 50 years. And as most countries we are realising that all our sewage and water lines need a massive renewal....

Maybe we should use more of the oil fund for these tasks, but I believe there would be large inflations if we tossed the oil fund around to fix everything....