Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

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Yepp, it’s odd to celebrate the milestone to emobility if one knows it’s paid all by carving carbon out of the earth.

A nation converting nearly 100% to EV means less carbon needing to be carved out of the Earth. How is that not something to celebrate for those that like less carbon being carved out of the Earth?

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Because this very nation makes tons of money by selling oil and gaz (carbon emissions)

Same joke if Saudi Arabia would go 100% emobility and keeps selling oil (carbon emissions)

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I've read through your all of your arguments on this thread and it looks like you're reading lots of papers, looking at a particular finding under specific circumstances, then using that as a blanket answer as to why EVs aren't viable. The problem is that these are mostly devoid of real world usage of EVs where viability is ultimately determined. Here's one example:

Also it’s not a 20% loss at 0°C. It’s closer to 50%. Which would be most accurately described as a “significant” loss of efficiency.

If an EV driver is only using a fraction of their range to accomplish 100% of their driving needs, then the temporary reduction in battery capacity is completely irrelevant. I can't say I know any EV drivers that have a 80 mile commute and only buy an EV capable of driving 80 miles under perfect conditions. Would that person exist, you'd have a valid point, but I would guess that person would be a statistical anomaly and shouldn't be used to derive policy or guidance for the majority of people. Most EV drivers are driving EVs with 200+ mile range and only using a small fraction of that for daily usage, so even with the most extreme temporary reductions its little to no impact on their driving ability.

In another post you called out that EV batteries use Cobalt which is typically derived from questionable human rights locations. Again, true on paper, but not all EVs use NMC or NCA chemistries which use Cobalt. Many EVs today use LFP and many in the years ahead will be Sodium based, neither of which use Cobalt at all in the batteries. So again, you found one particular finding and applied it to all EVs.

Any arguments you have about how dirty the extraction and transport methods used for EV materials fall apart immediately when the alternative is petroleum exploration, extraction, refinement, and distribution which need to occurr on an ongoing basis to keep fueling ICE vehicles.

I don't think anyone is claiming EVs are completely perfect from a user experience or environmental impact, however, compared to the alternative of ICE vehicles and the ongoing environmental and geopolitical impacts of the needed petroleum extraction needed to continue their use, EVs are a dream come true.

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Are you saying you would prefer they sell tons oil and gas (carbon emissions), as well as have their nation producing even more carbon emissions from ICE vehicle tailpipes? That seems to contradict your desire to have fewer carbon emissions.

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Also, solar panels are worse for the environment than burning coal and windmills make everyone nearby sick because they spin and disturb the atmosphere.

Literally things I've heard IRL from people who went looking for a personally affirming worldview.

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No I‘m not saying this

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it's very cool to not drive in that country because you don't need to and you wouldn't because you're not fat

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There only appears to be two realistic choices, and I've enumerated them both. Feel free to clarify your position then.

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electric cars were invented in the 1830s.. They're literally older than gas vehicles.

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please clarify what you are saying.

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the article points out that due to norway not having a major automobile manufacturer, there was pretty much no lobbying against the laws, so that's a bit of a tick in the opposite direction. the US has numerous very powerful lobbies making it as hard as possible to pass these laws.

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They are cleaner. The EPA literally calls this "Myth #2" because so many people like you repeat it ad nauseam.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth2

here are some more links:
https://www.cotes.com/blog/greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-ev-vs-ice-vehicles
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/01/do-electric-cars-have-problem-mining-for-minerals
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-electric-vehicles-definitely-better-climate-gas-powered-cars

David Bott, the head of innovation at the Society of Chemical Industry, said: “The real thing people forget is once it has been mined, you will end up being able to reuse 80-90% of the metals. You don’t have to go back to the planet to steal more minerals.”

funny quote from one of them:

And the alternative will not mean less mining. Caspar Rawles, the chief data officer at Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, said: “It always makes me laugh. OK, the mining of EV [materials] is harmful. Where do you think your car now comes from?”

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Just give us 10 years and we'll be right there with you.

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they're also completely ignoring the ongoing (environmental) costs of operating a gas vehicle compared to an EV. Even if initial costs might be higher, they are almost immediately paid off, sometimes as soon as six months of driving.

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I live in the arctic circle and there's a lot of EVs. Mine is petrol, I don't know why everyone has to be diesel unless you really like listening to the starter go hnnng.

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Are you saying a slaughterman that is vegetarian could be proud of his choice? While he still runs his slaughterhouse and kills animals?

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Norways crude oil product amount to less than 2.5% of the global production.

People don't seem to complain as much about the US who produces just over 16%, or Russia at about 14%.

They do complain a lot about Saudi Arabia who are also at 14%

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There are plenty of EVs in the arctic of Norway.

I the antarctic, where the south pole is, there is limited electric production, so it is easier to use ICE vehicles.

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If you think we actually invest in infrastructure, you are sorely mistaken.... I mean yes, we have a decent charging infrastructure. Driven by Tesla purchase and gas stations following through in order to retain EV customers. So some infrastructure is needed to support that.

But we don't even have good enough infrastructure to distribute an abundance of hydro electricity from North to the South, while at the same time we export electricity down to central Europe from the South, so prices fluctuates a crap ton.

Don't get me started on train lines being neglected for the past 50 years. And as most countries we are realising that all our sewage and water lines need a massive renewal....

Maybe we should use more of the oil fund for these tasks, but I believe there would be large inflations if we tossed the oil fund around to fix everything....

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Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles