Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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So, do you suggest going without a fight? Do you not understand how community defense works?

Jesus fucking Christ.

You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

If you and your friends aren't just LARPing in the same fucking way that "COME AND TAKE THEM" right-wing chuds do when they stroke their barrels over the prospect of fighting off a tyrannical government? That's great. But if so, all of you should understand that you aren't gambling that you'll win your individual fight with the fascists - you're gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight. And if you're smart, you're hoping that there won't be one - because irregular forces have the greatest success when there isn't a direct confrontation.

The chances are pretty fucking slim that you're going to be manning the trenches on a frontline between Good and Evil. The chances are pretty fucking slim that any safehouse you have is going to last more than ten minutes once discovered by government drones. Most days, in actual asymmetric warfare, your primary concern is the government not noticing you. Because if they do notice you, that's fucking it. And the fewer scruples the oppressive government has, the less chance you'll have to fight back. If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they're going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and "Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you're on guard duty at the safe house" is not fucking likely to be the result.

If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim. If they notice you, chances are you'll be in line for the camps with the rest of us, and no amount of crowing about how they'd never take YOU without a fight will mean a goddamn fig, and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

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No, they aren't. Expecting the Dems to get the vote by not being the fascists is a low standard. They have to present more than that. They didn't, in fact, and now the party blames leftists for not voting hard enough when it's their failure.

Jesus, when Luigi Mangione allegedly killed that healthcare CEO, it showed how the entire country liked seeing that, and the Democratic party has no idea what kind of campaign they could maybe run? I'm not saying they should run on a billionaire purge platform, but c'mon, maybe use your one billion dollar campaign funds for sending a message for you and not against the other one. Instead we got a 25k grant for a house purchase if you jump through three hoops. Wow, inspiring stuff.

And Hillary Clinton being characterized as making "no big changes" tells the whole story here. Her opponent went on a "drain the swamp", "we're going to make America great again" campaign and building up a hispanic and muslim scape goat. Everyone who is educated knew these were lies, but people were bad off, even then, and needed change. To be a hawkish candidate in a war exhausted society who runs on nothing but trying to achieve the first female presidential office is a weak attempt at saving America from Trump.

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Oh, iHsee, you where always a bag of air. cool cool.

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god people still defending dnc are as dumb as maga mob

or you are just like ken martin our new dnc chair who wants us to suck upto billionaire parasites for leftovers

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You want to cosplay the resistance, read up on how things actually went under the Nazi regime.

Oh, you mean the Nazi regime where anarchists self-organized and fought the Nazis while everyone else was inviting the Nazis to the Olympics? Or the times that anarchists showed up to put a beat down on Nazis doing a dog and pony show at Madison Square?

But if so, all of you should understand that you aren’t gambling that you’ll win your individual fight with the fascists - you’re gambling, first of all, that there will be a fight.

That's not a gamble. We know a fight is coming. We just are unsure of when it will start. We're preparing for that.

If they notice you, the institution with disproportionate resources and full-time goons to sic on you, they’re going to choose where, when, and how the confrontation goes down, and “Politely, in the daytime, clearly marked coming down the street while you’re on guard duty at the safe house” is not fucking likely to be the result.

We've been dealing with that for years already.... I mean, how do you think Anarchists ended up in prison in the US already?

If they notice you, the chances of there being a fight is slim.

We only need to be lucky once. They need to be lucky every single time.

and nor will any number of your plans about how you and your buddies will heroically defend your community. So stow the macho bullshit.

It's hardly "macho bullshit"... But go on projecting. What's your plan, btw? Capitulate at the soonest chance?

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I'm seeing a lot of voter bashing but the same Democrats in power. I get the criticism against voters. They should have voted neoliberal. But the Democrats set this vote up to fail. They just don't seem to get any consequences for it.

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The DNC is bad. I said it again. The DNC is really not great. There once more. They are not nearly as bad as what's going on in the current administration though. If that statement is "defending the DNC" then you have lost all perspective.

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ah but why didn’t i, the person living in canada, vote??? clearly a moral failing on my part /s

im not arguing against voting for the lesser evil. i think it’s a worthwhile action to do, sometimes.

what i find disgusting is the reaction here. we should all be horrified at this, talking about what we can do, if anything, and what are y’all saying? "uuh i fucking told you lol, lmao, hope you’re happy lol"

NO ONE’S HAPPY ABOUT THIS!!!

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GOT EEEMM

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The democrats were already funding billions of dollars worth of leopards in Gaza. This narrative that Muslims voted for this is disgusting when they really had no choice in the matter regardless of what a joke of a "democracy" we have pretends. Why do you think democrats refused to let them speak at the DNC?

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Not all people with bullshit opinions are bots. But I think the bots make those people think their opinions are more valid than they actually are, which causes them to be more active.

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Let's genocide the admins instead. At least they deserved it

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Well, maybe Israelis should leave Palestinians country instead.

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The point is that the people who were attacking Biden for his Israel policies were just Trump supporters (and literal bots) that were masquerading as passionate Israel supporter. They didn’t give a shit about who would be best for Palestine, they just wanted to get Trump elected.

We know this now by the silence from those people now. End game was achieved when Trump got elected.

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You got played, plain and simple. Trumps friend starts a war, knowing you idiots would pull the “both sides” crap and let trump win. Great job with your anti genocide stance that has now guaranteed the destruction of Gaza.

My take is that you Americans just can’t help this entitlement you have that the entire planet belongs to you. Neither of your political parties supported your side, so your solution was to support the far worse fascist? Maybe don’t make it an election issue if neither side is on yours. Maybe don’t make another county’s wars your country’s election issues.

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Is there silence? I see plenty of comments routinely downvoted to Hell on this topic. People just downvote the dissenting voices and then pretend they don't exist.

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Ooh, a statement. Well that’s all she, or anyone else who supports Palestinians getting to stay alive and in their homes can do now.

What was she doing while running for president? She couldn't give a proper statement even then, just weasel words that clearly still showed support for israel. Words are all democrats ever have while they continue to kneel to the oligarchy (or be part of the oligarchy themselves).

the side that wants Israel to take both Gaza and the West Bank and violently remove all the residents there

Funny that you think this sentiment is contained to only one of the two major parties in the US. Their actions speak otherwise.

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That’s a depressingly binary outlook for an anarchist.

Are you sure you’re an anarchist? Because thinking that there was either the choice to vote for one party or “you’re brainwashed” just doesn’t exactly scream anarchist to me.

You’re overlooking my entire point to make a binary, deterministic point about only one decision being right in this scenario. You’re an anarchist telling people that f they didn’t vote for a political party complicit in a genocide, that they’re just as bad as the genocidal forces? There is legitimately no sense to be found in this.

I’m more of a Chomsky-esque anarchist myself when it comes to voting. And even I don’t see how you could make this claim. Under normal circumstances, I would be with you between trump and Kamala. But there is a fucking genocide happening, in the US’s pocket, and there were two pro genocide candidates on the ticket. Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.

You’re throwing the people who couldn’t stomach the fact that a genocide would’ve been done in their name had your candidate won under the bus? Not those who wouldn’t listen to the millions of people telling them they’re wrong and blindly kept supporting the slaughter? With historians and the world community and the activists screaming that we are witnessing a Nazi-esque ethnic cleansing, you’re not faulting the politicians who only see the opportunity for influence and government contracts?

You’re singers faulting…activists and peacemongers. For not voting for your candidate?

I just want to be sure I’m understanding your position here.

Don’t come at me with some binary explanation that “well the other side is worse,” I want you to do your best to shed that two party mentality to think about this in the larger picture, and then reaffirm your point for me, here.

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Lemmy.world is dead. Fuck the mods, fuck the Dems.

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If you are given a choice between two mouldy foods, most sane people would say "I don't want any of them." even if one is less mouldy than the other. We need to start saying no when given the option between two mouldy foods so we can have better foods,

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