Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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ah but why didn’t i, the person living in canada, vote??? clearly a moral failing on my part /s

im not arguing against voting for the lesser evil. i think it’s a worthwhile action to do, sometimes.

what i find disgusting is the reaction here. we should all be horrified at this, talking about what we can do, if anything, and what are y’all saying? "uuh i fucking told you lol, lmao, hope you’re happy lol"

NO ONE’S HAPPY ABOUT THIS!!!

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GOT EEEMM

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The democrats were already funding billions of dollars worth of leopards in Gaza. This narrative that Muslims voted for this is disgusting when they really had no choice in the matter regardless of what a joke of a "democracy" we have pretends. Why do you think democrats refused to let them speak at the DNC?

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Not all people with bullshit opinions are bots. But I think the bots make those people think their opinions are more valid than they actually are, which causes them to be more active.

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Let's genocide the admins instead. At least they deserved it

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Well, maybe Israelis should leave Palestinians country instead.

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The point is that the people who were attacking Biden for his Israel policies were just Trump supporters (and literal bots) that were masquerading as passionate Israel supporter. They didn’t give a shit about who would be best for Palestine, they just wanted to get Trump elected.

We know this now by the silence from those people now. End game was achieved when Trump got elected.

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You got played, plain and simple. Trumps friend starts a war, knowing you idiots would pull the “both sides” crap and let trump win. Great job with your anti genocide stance that has now guaranteed the destruction of Gaza.

My take is that you Americans just can’t help this entitlement you have that the entire planet belongs to you. Neither of your political parties supported your side, so your solution was to support the far worse fascist? Maybe don’t make it an election issue if neither side is on yours. Maybe don’t make another county’s wars your country’s election issues.

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Is there silence? I see plenty of comments routinely downvoted to Hell on this topic. People just downvote the dissenting voices and then pretend they don't exist.

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Ooh, a statement. Well that’s all she, or anyone else who supports Palestinians getting to stay alive and in their homes can do now.

What was she doing while running for president? She couldn't give a proper statement even then, just weasel words that clearly still showed support for israel. Words are all democrats ever have while they continue to kneel to the oligarchy (or be part of the oligarchy themselves).

the side that wants Israel to take both Gaza and the West Bank and violently remove all the residents there

Funny that you think this sentiment is contained to only one of the two major parties in the US. Their actions speak otherwise.

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That’s a depressingly binary outlook for an anarchist.

Are you sure you’re an anarchist? Because thinking that there was either the choice to vote for one party or “you’re brainwashed” just doesn’t exactly scream anarchist to me.

You’re overlooking my entire point to make a binary, deterministic point about only one decision being right in this scenario. You’re an anarchist telling people that f they didn’t vote for a political party complicit in a genocide, that they’re just as bad as the genocidal forces? There is legitimately no sense to be found in this.

I’m more of a Chomsky-esque anarchist myself when it comes to voting. And even I don’t see how you could make this claim. Under normal circumstances, I would be with you between trump and Kamala. But there is a fucking genocide happening, in the US’s pocket, and there were two pro genocide candidates on the ticket. Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.

You’re throwing the people who couldn’t stomach the fact that a genocide would’ve been done in their name had your candidate won under the bus? Not those who wouldn’t listen to the millions of people telling them they’re wrong and blindly kept supporting the slaughter? With historians and the world community and the activists screaming that we are witnessing a Nazi-esque ethnic cleansing, you’re not faulting the politicians who only see the opportunity for influence and government contracts?

You’re singers faulting…activists and peacemongers. For not voting for your candidate?

I just want to be sure I’m understanding your position here.

Don’t come at me with some binary explanation that “well the other side is worse,” I want you to do your best to shed that two party mentality to think about this in the larger picture, and then reaffirm your point for me, here.

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Lemmy.world is dead. Fuck the mods, fuck the Dems.

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If you are given a choice between two mouldy foods, most sane people would say "I don't want any of them." even if one is less mouldy than the other. We need to start saying no when given the option between two mouldy foods so we can have better foods,

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Was your approach successful?

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What rudeness? In that comment?

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I have heard your perspective before. It's disingenuous framing and discounts all democratic power of the people to abandon parties that don't serve them.

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Neo-proudhonian mutualist with a dash of agorist praxis via non-violent counter-economic (r)evolution.

Changing the system by voting is not possible. The best we can do is pick the one closest aligned with our values, that will allow us to effectively organise (vs Trump turning the military on protestors/leftists), buy the Palestinians some time (vs literal cheering for ethnic clensing).

Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.

They're statists and authoritarians—I don’t expect them to listen to reason, and I can’t change that. My criticism is directed at those who actively pushed for a worsening of the genocide by enabling that screwball to take power, rather than supporting actual anti-genocide leftists who understand that, flawed as it is, liberalism is still preferable to outright fascism. You should know better. Instead, you keep shifting between shill gambit, baseless accusations and bad-faith comparisons.

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^ This guy IMMEDIATELY starts a flame war with someone else under the same comment. Holy fuck man.

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It's the only reason they care about palestine at all. It's nothing but a political stake for them, they don't give a shit about the people dying.

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Lol you think there's gonna be a Palestine in 4 years...

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza