Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[threeme2189@sh.itjust.works]

This thread is a fuckin roller-coaster of back and forths!

[jumuta@sh.itjust.works]

A fine works if it's a significant amount of the finee's net worth, but because fines are not scaled proportionally to finee's net worth (or even scaled at all) it's my opinion that these things just work as a paywall, including things like traffic violations.

[kusimulkku@lemm.ee]

You definitely can scale fines for income. We have that in Finland for more serious traffic violations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

I just don't believe the severity of the crime here at the lowest end calls for a year in jail. A fine, a hefty one, would serve the purpose better.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

He's a free speech absolutist- when it comes to his own speech.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Work like at a business open to the public?

[zmoney@lemmy.world]

The thing is this just makes it "cooler" among the Nazis because now it's illegal. It plays right into their persecution complex. It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court. To me this seems like it's fighting the symptoms and not the underlying problems.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I believe in the continual progress of human spirit

Good luck with that happening and allowing Nazis to be Nazis right out in the open.

Nazism, and I'm not sure why you don't know this, is the opposite of progress.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I do think it's funny that they accuse you of being mean one comment after they insult you.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

It's a hell of a lot harder to join a hate group if you can't identify any members to find out who to sign up with.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Does your arm inadvertently do Nazi salutes or can you refrain from seig heiling in public like any normal person?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Acting like it's just any old salute is weird.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Curse you, Israel! How dare you get people to call those doing Nazi salutes Nazis in Australia with your... kabbalistic magic?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Are you equating doing a Nazi salute to parking in front of a fire hydrant?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

What level of punishment is appropriate?

[dasus@lemmy.world]

Your should've seen it before he edited the impulsively rotten childish comments like "baby philosophy" or something about de Bottons pop-philosophy videos. They're pop-sci on YT sure but for that format, rather good for the very basics and he covers a lot of significant topics, ideas and authors.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Burning a cross on someone's lawn isn't physically violent either. So I guess you're okay with it?

[dasus@lemmy.world]

As if he ever saw Elon while working at the factory floor, loltz. And the manager might not take too kindly, no matter who they work for. Lots of them prolly got their job before Elon went batshit insane. Or took mask off, whichever. Or pre- crippling ketamine addiction. Idk.

[treczoks@lemmy.world]

The thing is this just makes it “cooler” among the Nazis because now it’s illegal.

Only until they are caught.

[demdaru@lemmy.world]

While without context I'd agree that banning a gesture is a bit much, especially with such steep measures, I think that in a world when one of the de facto co-leaders of major if not the main world superpowers openly does nazi salute twice, we need to up the guard and cut this shit in the bud.

And as you said - we don't know how to solve USA becoming a nazi state rapidly. Nobody does. And third reich ain't gonna hold a candle to USA if they decide it's time for blitzkrieg. So doingall we can to damage and reduce nazizm where we still can is admirable.