Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

I'm not pearl clutching. I'm a free speech absolutist. I support cosplay Nazis right to free just like I support people's rights to call cops pigs, etc. Also gang signs aren't illegal.

You'd be surprised how many times free speech has benefited people. Remember how many up votes praising Luigi Mangione got, now those same people want to eliminate free speech. Good luck to them. I'll just sit here & watch as I get downvoted into oblivion.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

cosplay

Not what anyone is talking about.

Democrats

Luigi Mangione

You mean the party that co-created the conditions that made that happen. The US is completely cooked politically speaking, you're not a standard or role model for anyone.

[whatyouneed@lemmy.world]

It's a nazi fucken salute mate. What part of it isn't a hate crime?

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

Where are you from? America has become the most successful superpower due to free speech. Go ahead tell us how much we suck. Maybe you should go look in the mirror first though.

[source_of_truth@lemmy.world]

It's illegal to do it "in public". So doing it at work is perfectly fine, as long as it isn't a public place.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

So doing it at work is perfectly fine

Alright. Make me a video of you giving the salute to to your boss during work hours and we'll see how it goes.

[threeme2189@sh.itjust.works]

Maybe he works at Tesla? Hell probably get a raise and employee of the month trophy.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

Have you watched the news lately.

[threeme2189@sh.itjust.works]

This thread is a fuckin roller-coaster of back and forths!

[jumuta@sh.itjust.works]

A fine works if it's a significant amount of the finee's net worth, but because fines are not scaled proportionally to finee's net worth (or even scaled at all) it's my opinion that these things just work as a paywall, including things like traffic violations.

[kusimulkku@lemm.ee]

You definitely can scale fines for income. We have that in Finland for more serious traffic violations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

I just don't believe the severity of the crime here at the lowest end calls for a year in jail. A fine, a hefty one, would serve the purpose better.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

He's a free speech absolutist- when it comes to his own speech.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Work like at a business open to the public?

[zmoney@lemmy.world]

The thing is this just makes it "cooler" among the Nazis because now it's illegal. It plays right into their persecution complex. It also opens up a legal morass of trying to define a hand gesture in court. To me this seems like it's fighting the symptoms and not the underlying problems.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I believe in the continual progress of human spirit

Good luck with that happening and allowing Nazis to be Nazis right out in the open.

Nazism, and I'm not sure why you don't know this, is the opposite of progress.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I do think it's funny that they accuse you of being mean one comment after they insult you.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

It's a hell of a lot harder to join a hate group if you can't identify any members to find out who to sign up with.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Does your arm inadvertently do Nazi salutes or can you refrain from seig heiling in public like any normal person?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Acting like it's just any old salute is weird.