Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

[…] Truly, the “more forceful alternative.”

I only meant more forceful than your only stated possibility:

I don’t like you, please stop, but also I won’t do anything to you if you keep doing it.

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

Saying we shouldn’t police those behaviors is actively stating that you want to tolerate them, just via legal means rather than solely social ones. […]

Yes. That is what I said. What's your point?

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

[…] If saying they shouldn’t be stopped using the force of law isn’t tolerating the behavior more than saying we should stop them using the force of law, then I don’t know what is. […]

Yes, not using governmental force would be more legally tolerant, as you mentioned above:

Saying we shouldn’t police those behaviors is actively stating that you want to tolerate them, just via legal means rather than solely social ones.

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

If your ideology allows Nazis to face no legal consequences for being Nazis, while you simultaneously state that you don’t believe they should be tolerated, then you hold mutually contradictory views.

This is a loaded statement — it depends on what you mean by "being Nazis".

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

If you don’t think their views should be tolerated, you should support actions that prevent their views from being held and spread. […]

I support social actions that prevent their views from being held and spread.

[umbrella@lemmy.ml]

well put. i still thoroughly disagree with you, mind, but this comment clicked my understanding of this argument.

[gold_e_lox@lemmy.world]

you can just call them fascists

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

[…] i still thoroughly disagree with you […]

Would you mind outlining why?

[kalcifer@sh.itjust.works]

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you think the current government (USA) is fascist. If so, would you mind describing exactly why you think that? Do note that I'm not disputing your claim — I'm simply curious what your rationale is.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Yes, I'm famous for not understanding humor.

Everyone on Lemmy knows me as a 100% humorless person.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I am not mischaracterizing anything. I am asking you to give an example of what you're talking about.

Clearly you can't. You apparently don't understand what autism is.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Sorry... which are you saying, that Israel's behavior forces people to make Nazi salutes when they otherwise wouldn't or that everyone who makes Nazi salutes is secretly an Israeli operative?

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

You can burn a cross on a sidewalk in front of someone's house. That is not trespassing or vandalism or arson and is exactly how the KKK has gotten away with it in the past.

And yes, I do want them to be locked up for that. You are either okay with it or didn't even consider the possibility that a sidewalk is a public space.

[fedizen@lemmy.world]

I think it should be legal to do exactly one free punch on anyone who does a nazi salute.

[commander@lemmings.world]

There was a lot more going on in Germany leading up to WW2.

Neo-nazis don't have to deal with the Treaty of Versailles in 2025, for example.

[commander@lemmings.world]

American fascism is unique because it solely exists to distract the working class from their exploitation by the ruling class.

In other words, it's cool to be a useful idiot because that's what makes rich people richer the fastest.

[commander@lemmings.world]

It's crazy watching the left throw freedom of speech under the bus as soon as people start saying things they don't like.

Really makes me proud not to consider myself a liberal at this point. Ya'll are nuts.

[commander@lemmings.world]

Question for everyone supporting this: do you think saying women can't think for themselves should be classified as hate speech?

Asking for a friend.

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

No, I'm saying that Israel runs psyops.

You know what is actual violence? Punching people in the face. Everyone has the potential to become violent. That doesn't mean you can go around punching everyone in the face. Go ask the cops they'll help explain it to you if you need help understanding the concept.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Go ask the cops they’ll help explain it to you if you need help understanding the concept.

...and the authoritarian emerges from their shell.