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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • breadcat@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

    you are so brave

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    So brave

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      It's arguably ignoring their preferences, but how is it misgendering? they/them is gender neutral-- it implies nothing about their gender at all.

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      It does when you only do it for trans people. This is a common thing that a lot if trans people have experienced so it kinda comes across as being "PC" while not acknowledging their identity.

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      • comfy@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

        Ideology does not come about from ‘convincing’ or ‘swaying’ anyone.

        Tell that to the propaganda model. False consciousness is a real barrier which can and has dominated material class interests.

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        Propaganda functions with a pre-supposition of the initial dominance of the material over the immaterial. People are functionally motivated to accept specific ideological and social viewpoints where the material state encouraging that comes first. I think this article makes an interesting case for why this general concept is non-Marxist: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

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        • W [email protected]

          No I'm not, I'm just not assuming immigrants have 0 buying power, which your post implicitly was, yes supply increases but demand also increases. Beyond that you get into the realms of having to do empirical research (which is hard).

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          it's not that difficult, it's quite obvious that immigrants and poor people have less buying power and therefore create less demand, while probably working harder than any billionaires and therefore create more supply.

          i'd also argue that is straightforward to see. i don't see your misunderstanding?

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          • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

            I don't like extreme leftists (they live in a bubble) but they've been right about everything and they are our best chance at resolving economic disparity

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            I'm curious how you square "they live in a bubble" with them being right?

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            • ragdoll_x@sh.itjust.worksR [email protected]

              I don't like racism against white people or sexism against men. Do I think they're less urgent or worrying than bigotry directed at other groups? Sure. There's less hate against men and whites compared to other demographic groups, and bigotry against them simply doesn't have the same social or political impact due to current systemic racism and sexism being directed at other groups. But bigotry is still bigotry, and I don't like bigotry against anyone.

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              As a woman I'm not a fan of calling men simple or easy. They've just been conditioned differently, and that's a continued part of the patriarchy.

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                I lean pretty hard left who is also pro death-penalty (IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES)

                • If the case has absolutely been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

                • All appeals have been exhausted.

                • Proof is absolutely undeniable.

                • Guilty party shows no remorse.

                • Crime is suffiently heinous (mass murder, child killing, serial killers, etc...)

                • A legitimate psychiatric board has deemed that there is little to no chance at rehabilitation nor does the guilty party show any inclination to want to rehabilitate.

                if ALL those things are true, (plus some that I haven't even considered) then I would rather execute them than pay for their living expenses for the rest of their natural life, or worse see them released at the end of their sentance absolutely knowing that they'll do it again.

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                I think we should create a system where people have a choice. Life in prison or death. I think k it would clear up a lot of the ethical issues of the death penalty.

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                  That progressive people should prioritize economic equality ahead of social issues.

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                  I'd argue nearly every single social issue is an economic one. Abortion? Anti-abortion laws are intended to force people to have kids they can't afford, making them desperate for work to keep their kids fed and clothed. Racial equality? I mean, do I need to say more than the fact that most minorities are statistically poorer? The only one that can be argued is purely social is Trans people, and I simply can't fathom letting people die for being who they are, or ignoring the blatant attacks on them from the right.

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                    I believe in the possibility of bigfoot being real.

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                    Okay, but where is it now?

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                      The left has become so focused on illegal immigrants and identity politics that they have abandoned working class economic issues and rural white voters and it has cost them elections.

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                      If the left you're talking about is the dems, no the fuck they aren't. Dems aren't the ones constantly putting forth bills about Trans people. The most any dem has done is post some milqtoast "trans rights" sticker or something.

                      But I agree I think the dems shouldn't have justified the fear mongering about immigrants when the right started screeching about it. But that's also on news orgs justifying it.

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                        I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

                        Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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                        1. I'd argue the pandemic is what fixed the dmv, not running it like a business.

                        2. It's often lost that in the pro-choice conversation, chosing to keep the pregnancy is also a valid choice.

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                          Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                          I believe that the stance against nuclear power (specifically, nuclear fission, as opposed to radioisotope power used by spacecraft) by greens undermines the fight to stop global warming, and that many of the purported issues with nuclear power have been solved or were never really issues in the first place.

                          For instance: the nuclear waste produced by old-gen reactors can be used by newer generations.

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                            I lean pretty hard left who is also pro death-penalty (IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES)

                            • If the case has absolutely been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

                            • All appeals have been exhausted.

                            • Proof is absolutely undeniable.

                            • Guilty party shows no remorse.

                            • Crime is suffiently heinous (mass murder, child killing, serial killers, etc...)

                            • A legitimate psychiatric board has deemed that there is little to no chance at rehabilitation nor does the guilty party show any inclination to want to rehabilitate.

                            if ALL those things are true, (plus some that I haven't even considered) then I would rather execute them than pay for their living expenses for the rest of their natural life, or worse see them released at the end of their sentance absolutely knowing that they'll do it again.

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                            The problem that runs into is that afaik even with the not as undeniable proofs the US is using atm the death penalty costs them more than paying for the living expenses of the suspect. And that is nothing to speak of no proof being undeniable enough.

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                              As someone who was in a supportive relationship with a transgender person for 3 years and who personally struggles associating with my own gender, I never really got into the stating my gender pronouns.

                              I get why it's done for the times it matters and can do so in a sensitive space, but I get the sense it's usually done as public compliance (like a cis neolib as an email sig), which can lead to shallow support or worse, resentment. What we ultimately need is more genuine contact with people different from ourselves because that helps reduce "othering" a group.

                              Oh, but I do tend to default to "they" out of old internet habits. Always disliked the assumption all gamers are men.

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                              I do think stating pronouns at the beginning of conversations is a bit clunky, but in almost every internet interactions (including email),having a reference to someone's pronouns helps both when they're trans and when it's faceless. Like if someone's has a gender neutral name, it can save confusion between a group message or email chain to be able to refer to them with the right pronouns.

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                                Stop out-woking one another, it's okay to be right silently in order to bring in fence sitters.

                                If someone says, "my spirit animal told me late-stage capitalism is evil" welcome them to the club with open arms, focus on how you're alike and trust them to work out their faux pas over time spent among like-minded peers.

                                Also cultural appropriation ≠ exploitation, we can stop clutching our collective pearls over these faux pas.

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                                Cultural appropriation is specifically a method in which suppressing groups deny the cultural heritage of oppressed around. To call it a faux pas is ridiculous and ignorant

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                                  I don't like racism against white people or sexism against men. Do I think they're less urgent or worrying than bigotry directed at other groups? Sure. There's less hate against men and whites compared to other demographic groups, and bigotry against them simply doesn't have the same social or political impact due to current systemic racism and sexism being directed at other groups. But bigotry is still bigotry, and I don't like bigotry against anyone.

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                                  That is ignorant to what racism actually is. Racism is not just a set of unconnected rude actions towards someone but specifically exists within a cultural context that subjugates certain groups. Racism upholds that oppressive framework and racial bias in statements and beliefs help to encourage that false framing of the world. White men aren’t oppressed in the same way that a racial minority woman is and to say it is racism or sexism all the same is to downplay those specific experiences and cultural norm that holds certain groups and the individuals within those groups down.

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                                    I am unsure about when it stops being moral to terminate a foetus/baby. I think it's somewhere between 6 and 14 months, but that's just my gut feeling. Some people are astonished that I would even consider that it could be after birth, but it's not like any sudden development occurs at the moment of birth.

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                                    I dislike criminalization at all because if a doctor at any point has to consider if they can prove that an abortion was medically necessary in a court of law, I find that to be a violation of their ability to care for their patient.

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                                      Is it moral to kill a 2-year old because the parents no longer want it?

                                      I'm sure that abortion is fine for the first few months. After that, I am unsure either way, but I don't feel strongly enough to wish to see abortion rights curtailed at all. So this is largely academic.

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                                      The 2 year old can exist separately from their parent. A fetus can't, in most abortion cases.

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                                        Just specifying the proofs have to be solid bugs you? How weird.

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                                        Yeah, of course, death penalty is never acceptable and must be abolished entirely. Even setting aside that no proof of a physical event can be 100% solid, or all the other practicality arguments; even the worst rapists, murderers, terrorists and billionaires are still humans and do not deserve death.

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                                          Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                          Y'all don't need to keep adding things to lgbtq or lgbt+. The q or + takes care of everything

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