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  • P [email protected]

    Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

    Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

    this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

    Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

    ENS domain are used to name communities.

    Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

    anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

    Important Links :

    Home

    https://plebbit.com/home

    App

    https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

    FAQ

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

    Whitepapers

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

    Github

    https://github.com/plebbit

    https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

    https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

    https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

    https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

    kissaki@programming.devK This user is from outside of this forum
    kissaki@programming.devK This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote on last edited by
    #23

    this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people

    The "giving control of communication" goal seems to contradict the "viewer automatically shares without a choice" and the dependence on good-intent node owners not moderating their node content.

    If a node owner hosts a community, what prevents them from moderating that community?

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    • W [email protected]

      Please spare me whatever philosophical navel gazing you're trying to do here. I'm asking what should be an incredibly straightforward question about what should be basic functionality in any P2P seeding based system:

      What control, if any, does an individual user have over what they seed back into the system?

      Some P2P systems just give each user an encrypted blob of all sorts of stuff, so the individual user can't choose and on paper isn't responsible for whatever it is that they are seeding back in. I'm personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I'm not seeding nazi manifestos.

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      #24

      I’m personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I’m not seeding nazi manifestos that were stealthing as a reasonably named subplebbit.

      I kind of get the feeling this is exactly the content they want to help host when they refer to "censorship resistance". This was also the key selling point of Gab when it launched.

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      • ? Guest

        No moderation seems like a recipe for disaster

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        wrote on last edited by
        #25

        Well from their site

        Moderation

        Since there are no global admins, the administrative control of a subplebbit rests solely with its creator. No one else can moderate content or accounts unless the subplebbit creator grants them permission.

        So, it's not that theirs no moderation. It's just "subplebbit" creator/delegates controlled as there is no over arching site wide company able to moderate it on the whole.

        It will mean, as a user, you'll have to be liberal with removing subplebbits from your own feed though. I'm sure there will be some.. not so pleasant subplebbits appearing.

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        • P [email protected]

          Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

          Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

          this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

          Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

          ENS domain are used to name communities.

          Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

          anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

          Important Links :

          Home

          https://plebbit.com/home

          App

          https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

          FAQ

          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

          Whitepapers

          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

          Github

          https://github.com/plebbit

          https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

          https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

          https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

          https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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          #26

          Good job

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          • P [email protected]

            Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

            Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

            this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

            Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

            ENS domain are used to name communities.

            Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

            anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

            Important Links :

            Home

            https://plebbit.com/home

            App

            https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

            FAQ

            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

            Whitepapers

            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

            Github

            https://github.com/plebbit

            https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

            https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

            https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

            https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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            #27

            @Plebbitor I could not join the matrix, please check the server is OK 😓

            @programming

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            • P [email protected]

              Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

              Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

              this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

              Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

              ENS domain are used to name communities.

              Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

              anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

              Important Links :

              Home

              https://plebbit.com/home

              App

              https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

              FAQ

              https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

              Whitepapers

              https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

              https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

              Github

              https://github.com/plebbit

              https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

              https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

              https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

              https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

              sortekanin@feddit.dkS This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote on last edited by
              #28

              no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

              "True censorship resistance" is not a desirable property. No normal user wants to deal with moderation. You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

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              • N [email protected]

                Great question! Unlike Lemmy, which relies on federation with dedicated servers, Plebbit is fully peer-to-peer (P2P) and does not have a central server or even instances. Instead, storage happens via a combination of IPFS and users seeding data. Here’s how it works:

                Where Is Plebbit's Data Stored?

                1. Subplebbit Owners Host the Data (Like Torrent Seeders)

                  • Each subplebbit owner runs a Plebbit node that stores and republishes their own community's data.
                  • Their device (or a server, if they choose) must be online 24/7 to ensure the subplebbit remains accessible.
                  • If a subplebbit owner goes offline, their community disappears unless others seed it—very similar to how torrents work.
                2. Users Act as Temporary Seeders

                  • Any user who visits a subplebbit automatically stores and seeds the content they read.
                  • This means active users help distribute content, like in BitTorrent.
                  • If a user closes their app and no one else is seeding the content, it becomes unavailable until the owner comes back online.
                3. IPFS for Content Addressing

                  • Posts and comments are stored in IPFS, which ensures that popular content remains available longer.
                  • Unlike a blockchain, there is no permanent historical ledger—if no one is seeding, the data is gone.
                  • Each post has a content address (CID), meaning that as long as someone has the data, it can be re-fetched.
                4. PubSub for Live Updates

                  • Plebbit uses peer-to-peer pubsub (publish-subscribe messaging) to broadcast new content between nodes in real-time.
                  • This helps users see new posts without needing a central server to pull updates from.

                What Happens If Everyone Goes Offline?

                • If no one's online to seed a subplebbit, it's as if it never existed.
                • This is a trade-off for infinite scalability—it removes the need for central databases but relies on community participation.
                • Think of it like a dead torrent—no seeders, no content.

                Comparison With Lemmy

                Feature Lemmy Plebbit
                Hosting Model Federated servers (instances) Fully P2P (no servers)
                Who Stores Data? Instance owners (like Reddit mods running a server) Subplebbit owners & users (like torrents)
                If Owner Goes Offline? Instance still exists; data stays up The community disappears unless users seed it
                Historical Content Availability Instances keep all posts forever Older data may disappear if not seeded
                Scalability Limited by instance storage & bandwidth Infinite, as long as people seed

                Bottom Line: No Servers, Just Users

                • With Lemmy: The instance owner has to host everything themselves like a mini-Reddit admin.
                • With Plebbit: The subplebbit owner AND users seed the content—no one has to host a centralized database.
                • If something is popular, it stays alive.
                • If something isn't seeded, it disappears, just like torrents.

                It’s a radical trade-off for decentralization and censorship resistance, but if no one cares about a community, the content naturally dies off. No server, no mods deleting you from a database—just pure P2P.

                Hope that clears it up! 🚀

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                Is this reply AI generated?

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                • W [email protected]

                  Please spare me whatever philosophical navel gazing you're trying to do here. I'm asking what should be an incredibly straightforward question about what should be basic functionality in any P2P seeding based system:

                  What control, if any, does an individual user have over what they seed back into the system?

                  Some P2P systems just give each user an encrypted blob of all sorts of stuff, so the individual user can't choose and on paper isn't responsible for whatever it is that they are seeding back in. I'm personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I'm not seeding nazi manifestos.

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                  #30

                  I will still check it out, but it doesn't mean I will adopt it.

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                  • W [email protected]

                    Please spare me whatever philosophical navel gazing you're trying to do here. I'm asking what should be an incredibly straightforward question about what should be basic functionality in any P2P seeding based system:

                    What control, if any, does an individual user have over what they seed back into the system?

                    Some P2P systems just give each user an encrypted blob of all sorts of stuff, so the individual user can't choose and on paper isn't responsible for whatever it is that they are seeding back in. I'm personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I'm not seeding nazi manifestos.

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                    #31

                    I liked "navel gazing" I'm keeping that one.

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                    • ? Guest

                      From the whitepaper:

                      1. The user completes the captcha challenge and publishes his post and
                        captcha challenge answer over pubsub.
                      2. The subplebbit owner’s client gets notified that the user published to his
                        pubsub, the post is not ignored because it contains a correct captcha
                        challenge answer.
                      3. The subplebbit owner’s client publishes a message over pubsub indicating
                        that the captcha answer is correct or incorrect. Peers relaying too many
                        messages with incorrect or no captcha answers get blocked to avoid DDOS
                        of the pubsub.
                      4. The subplebbit owner’s client updates the content of his subplebbit’s
                        public key-based addressing automatically

                      I may be misunderstanding how this protocol works, but at step 10 what prevents the owner from publishing the captcha answer as incorrect as a method of censorship based on the content of the post?

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                      #32

                      The owner can obviously moderate and thereby censor, anyway. Thats not the kind of censorship free this thing advertises. Its not more or less censored as lemmy is when instance hosts do moderation.

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                      • ? Guest

                        Can you host a node to earn its token?

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                        Hopefully! That way all the crypto bros will concentrate there and leave normal social media alone.

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                        • ? Guest

                          No moderation seems like a recipe for disaster

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                          #34

                          I was there for the early days of Voat, which was an earlier version of a Reddit clone. Those first few months were nice, but it quickly devolved into a hate-filled N*zi safe haven.

                          Fediverse has an early version of a bot problem, which is ubiquitous in all social media these days (thanks to state actors and also corpos that want you to think/feel a certain way). idk how the fediverse is handling the bot problem, but for now it seems to be less noticeable here than other places.

                          If the platform is truly "free speech" without any moderation, then it will quickly devolve into worse than 4chan.

                          Voat is gone now, which is a good thing, but if you have an programming background you can use an LLM to study the way it self-destructed by looking at the archive.org snippets. See how it quickly became theDonald but worse.

                          That is what will happen to this un-moderated decentralized social media protocol.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Because there isn’t a solution.

                            This has been discussed and experimented with to death where such networks existed for a long time. Just because you never heard of them or even knew they exist doesn't mean that they don't.

                            See Freenet/Hyphanet and the three approaches (local trust, shared user trust lists, web of trust) if you want to learn something. The second one worked out the best from a performance and scalability point of view compared to the third.

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                            #35

                            See Freenet/Hyphanet

                            Please don't, because it is literally the largest place online that openly trades CSAM. Law enforcement even run their own nodes there to try to catch people.

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                            • sortekanin@feddit.dkS [email protected]

                              no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                              "True censorship resistance" is not a desirable property. No normal user wants to deal with moderation. You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

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                              #36

                              Says who? Moderate your damn self, wannabe. Better yet, GTFO and don't touch this horror show. You might break a pinky.

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                              • P [email protected]

                                Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                                Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                                this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                                Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                                ENS domain are used to name communities.

                                Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                                anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                                Important Links :

                                Home

                                https://plebbit.com/home

                                App

                                https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                                FAQ

                                https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                                Whitepapers

                                https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                                https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                                Github

                                https://github.com/plebbit

                                https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                                https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                                https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                                https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                                #37

                                i don't trust any messenger system that uses the word "serverless". such a word is misleading, at best, and a scam more likely.

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                                • P [email protected]

                                  Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                                  Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                                  this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                                  Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                                  ENS domain are used to name communities.

                                  Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                                  anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                                  Important Links :

                                  Home

                                  https://plebbit.com/home

                                  App

                                  https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                                  FAQ

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                                  Whitepapers

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                                  Github

                                  https://github.com/plebbit

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                                  #38

                                  This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                                  ::: spoiler NSFW = Nefarious content
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                                  :::

                                  Just proving a point.

                                  Perhaps you want a character limit and spam protection? But how?

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                                  • R [email protected]

                                    See Freenet/Hyphanet

                                    Please don't, because it is literally the largest place online that openly trades CSAM. Law enforcement even run their own nodes there to try to catch people.

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                                    Didn't click on your links. But LEA does this move against any network that may offer anonymization. Don't use Tor hidden services. Don't go near I2P. Stay away from Freenet...etc. This even includes any platform that is seen as not fully under control, like Telegram at some point.

                                    In its essence, this move is no different from "Don't go near Lemmy because it's a Putin-supporting communist platform filled with evil state agents".

                                    Does any network that may offer anonymization (even if misleadingly) attract undesirable people, possibly including flat out criminals? Yes.

                                    Should everyone stay away from all of them because of that? That's up to each individual to decide, preferably after seeing for themselves.

                                    But parroting "think of the children" talking points against individual networks points to either intellectual deficiency, high susceptibility to consent-manufacturing propaganda, or some less innocent explanations.

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                                      Is this reply AI generated?

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                                      Partially.

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                                        Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                                        Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                                        this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                                        Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                                        ENS domain are used to name communities.

                                        Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                                        anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                                        Important Links :

                                        Home

                                        https://plebbit.com/home

                                        App

                                        https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                                        FAQ

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                                        Whitepapers

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                                        Github

                                        https://github.com/plebbit

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                                        https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                                        #41

                                        Looks promising, but too difficult to use for average user.

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                                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                          i don't trust any messenger system that uses the word "serverless". such a word is misleading, at best, and a scam more likely.

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                                          I agree in general, just like the word "decentralized". But in this case it's legit, because it simply means it's p2p. I'd call bitcoin "serverless" as well, so it's BitTorrent and IPFS. Plebbit is exactly the same: you open the desktop app and it runs a p2p node automatically in the background, to run your subplebbit, and users connect to it peer to peer. Your p2p node is not really a "server", because it doesn't require any centralized domain to function, it uses transport protocols and peer discovery instead.

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