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  • P [email protected]

    Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

    Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

    this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

    Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

    ENS domain are used to name communities.

    Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

    anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

    Important Links :

    Home

    https://plebbit.com/home

    App

    https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

    FAQ

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

    Whitepapers

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

    https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

    Github

    https://github.com/plebbit

    https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

    https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

    https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

    https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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    Good job

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    • P [email protected]

      Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

      Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

      this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

      Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

      ENS domain are used to name communities.

      Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

      anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

      Important Links :

      Home

      https://plebbit.com/home

      App

      https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

      FAQ

      https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

      Whitepapers

      https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

      https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

      Github

      https://github.com/plebbit

      https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

      https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

      https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

      https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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      @Plebbitor I could not join the matrix, please check the server is OK 😓

      @programming

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      • P [email protected]

        Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

        Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

        this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

        Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

        ENS domain are used to name communities.

        Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

        anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

        Important Links :

        Home

        https://plebbit.com/home

        App

        https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

        FAQ

        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

        Whitepapers

        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

        https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

        Github

        https://github.com/plebbit

        https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

        https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

        https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

        https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

        sortekanin@feddit.dkS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #28

        no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

        "True censorship resistance" is not a desirable property. No normal user wants to deal with moderation. You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

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        • N [email protected]

          Great question! Unlike Lemmy, which relies on federation with dedicated servers, Plebbit is fully peer-to-peer (P2P) and does not have a central server or even instances. Instead, storage happens via a combination of IPFS and users seeding data. Here’s how it works:

          Where Is Plebbit's Data Stored?

          1. Subplebbit Owners Host the Data (Like Torrent Seeders)

            • Each subplebbit owner runs a Plebbit node that stores and republishes their own community's data.
            • Their device (or a server, if they choose) must be online 24/7 to ensure the subplebbit remains accessible.
            • If a subplebbit owner goes offline, their community disappears unless others seed it—very similar to how torrents work.
          2. Users Act as Temporary Seeders

            • Any user who visits a subplebbit automatically stores and seeds the content they read.
            • This means active users help distribute content, like in BitTorrent.
            • If a user closes their app and no one else is seeding the content, it becomes unavailable until the owner comes back online.
          3. IPFS for Content Addressing

            • Posts and comments are stored in IPFS, which ensures that popular content remains available longer.
            • Unlike a blockchain, there is no permanent historical ledger—if no one is seeding, the data is gone.
            • Each post has a content address (CID), meaning that as long as someone has the data, it can be re-fetched.
          4. PubSub for Live Updates

            • Plebbit uses peer-to-peer pubsub (publish-subscribe messaging) to broadcast new content between nodes in real-time.
            • This helps users see new posts without needing a central server to pull updates from.

          What Happens If Everyone Goes Offline?

          • If no one's online to seed a subplebbit, it's as if it never existed.
          • This is a trade-off for infinite scalability—it removes the need for central databases but relies on community participation.
          • Think of it like a dead torrent—no seeders, no content.

          Comparison With Lemmy

          Feature Lemmy Plebbit
          Hosting Model Federated servers (instances) Fully P2P (no servers)
          Who Stores Data? Instance owners (like Reddit mods running a server) Subplebbit owners & users (like torrents)
          If Owner Goes Offline? Instance still exists; data stays up The community disappears unless users seed it
          Historical Content Availability Instances keep all posts forever Older data may disappear if not seeded
          Scalability Limited by instance storage & bandwidth Infinite, as long as people seed

          Bottom Line: No Servers, Just Users

          • With Lemmy: The instance owner has to host everything themselves like a mini-Reddit admin.
          • With Plebbit: The subplebbit owner AND users seed the content—no one has to host a centralized database.
          • If something is popular, it stays alive.
          • If something isn't seeded, it disappears, just like torrents.

          It’s a radical trade-off for decentralization and censorship resistance, but if no one cares about a community, the content naturally dies off. No server, no mods deleting you from a database—just pure P2P.

          Hope that clears it up! 🚀

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          #29

          Is this reply AI generated?

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          • W [email protected]

            Please spare me whatever philosophical navel gazing you're trying to do here. I'm asking what should be an incredibly straightforward question about what should be basic functionality in any P2P seeding based system:

            What control, if any, does an individual user have over what they seed back into the system?

            Some P2P systems just give each user an encrypted blob of all sorts of stuff, so the individual user can't choose and on paper isn't responsible for whatever it is that they are seeding back in. I'm personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I'm not seeding nazi manifestos.

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            #30

            I will still check it out, but it doesn't mean I will adopt it.

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            • W [email protected]

              Please spare me whatever philosophical navel gazing you're trying to do here. I'm asking what should be an incredibly straightforward question about what should be basic functionality in any P2P seeding based system:

              What control, if any, does an individual user have over what they seed back into the system?

              Some P2P systems just give each user an encrypted blob of all sorts of stuff, so the individual user can't choose and on paper isn't responsible for whatever it is that they are seeding back in. I'm personally not ok with not having a way to ensure that I'm not seeding nazi manifestos.

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              I liked "navel gazing" I'm keeping that one.

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              • ? Guest

                From the whitepaper:

                1. The user completes the captcha challenge and publishes his post and
                  captcha challenge answer over pubsub.
                2. The subplebbit owner’s client gets notified that the user published to his
                  pubsub, the post is not ignored because it contains a correct captcha
                  challenge answer.
                3. The subplebbit owner’s client publishes a message over pubsub indicating
                  that the captcha answer is correct or incorrect. Peers relaying too many
                  messages with incorrect or no captcha answers get blocked to avoid DDOS
                  of the pubsub.
                4. The subplebbit owner’s client updates the content of his subplebbit’s
                  public key-based addressing automatically

                I may be misunderstanding how this protocol works, but at step 10 what prevents the owner from publishing the captcha answer as incorrect as a method of censorship based on the content of the post?

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                #32

                The owner can obviously moderate and thereby censor, anyway. Thats not the kind of censorship free this thing advertises. Its not more or less censored as lemmy is when instance hosts do moderation.

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                  Can you host a node to earn its token?

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                  #33

                  Hopefully! That way all the crypto bros will concentrate there and leave normal social media alone.

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                  • ? Guest

                    No moderation seems like a recipe for disaster

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                    #34

                    I was there for the early days of Voat, which was an earlier version of a Reddit clone. Those first few months were nice, but it quickly devolved into a hate-filled N*zi safe haven.

                    Fediverse has an early version of a bot problem, which is ubiquitous in all social media these days (thanks to state actors and also corpos that want you to think/feel a certain way). idk how the fediverse is handling the bot problem, but for now it seems to be less noticeable here than other places.

                    If the platform is truly "free speech" without any moderation, then it will quickly devolve into worse than 4chan.

                    Voat is gone now, which is a good thing, but if you have an programming background you can use an LLM to study the way it self-destructed by looking at the archive.org snippets. See how it quickly became theDonald but worse.

                    That is what will happen to this un-moderated decentralized social media protocol.

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                    • B [email protected]

                      Because there isn’t a solution.

                      This has been discussed and experimented with to death where such networks existed for a long time. Just because you never heard of them or even knew they exist doesn't mean that they don't.

                      See Freenet/Hyphanet and the three approaches (local trust, shared user trust lists, web of trust) if you want to learn something. The second one worked out the best from a performance and scalability point of view compared to the third.

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                      See Freenet/Hyphanet

                      Please don't, because it is literally the largest place online that openly trades CSAM. Law enforcement even run their own nodes there to try to catch people.

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                      • sortekanin@feddit.dkS [email protected]

                        no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                        "True censorship resistance" is not a desirable property. No normal user wants to deal with moderation. You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

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                        #36

                        Says who? Moderate your damn self, wannabe. Better yet, GTFO and don't touch this horror show. You might break a pinky.

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                        • P [email protected]

                          Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                          Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                          this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                          Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                          ENS domain are used to name communities.

                          Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                          anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                          Important Links :

                          Home

                          https://plebbit.com/home

                          App

                          https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                          FAQ

                          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                          Whitepapers

                          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                          https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                          Github

                          https://github.com/plebbit

                          https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                          https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                          https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                          https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                          #37

                          i don't trust any messenger system that uses the word "serverless". such a word is misleading, at best, and a scam more likely.

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                          • P [email protected]

                            Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                            Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                            this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                            Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                            ENS domain are used to name communities.

                            Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                            anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                            Important Links :

                            Home

                            https://plebbit.com/home

                            App

                            https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                            FAQ

                            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                            Whitepapers

                            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                            https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                            Github

                            https://github.com/plebbit

                            https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                            https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                            https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                            https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                            #38

                            This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                            ::: spoiler NSFW = Nefarious content
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                            :::

                            Just proving a point.

                            Perhaps you want a character limit and spam protection? But how?

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                            • R [email protected]

                              See Freenet/Hyphanet

                              Please don't, because it is literally the largest place online that openly trades CSAM. Law enforcement even run their own nodes there to try to catch people.

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                              Didn't click on your links. But LEA does this move against any network that may offer anonymization. Don't use Tor hidden services. Don't go near I2P. Stay away from Freenet...etc. This even includes any platform that is seen as not fully under control, like Telegram at some point.

                              In its essence, this move is no different from "Don't go near Lemmy because it's a Putin-supporting communist platform filled with evil state agents".

                              Does any network that may offer anonymization (even if misleadingly) attract undesirable people, possibly including flat out criminals? Yes.

                              Should everyone stay away from all of them because of that? That's up to each individual to decide, preferably after seeing for themselves.

                              But parroting "think of the children" talking points against individual networks points to either intellectual deficiency, high susceptibility to consent-manufacturing propaganda, or some less innocent explanations.

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                                Is this reply AI generated?

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                                Partially.

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                                  Plebbit is pure peer-to-peer social media protocol, it has no central servers, no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                                  Unlike federated platforms, like lemmy and Mastedon, there are no instances or servers to rely on

                                  this project was created due to wanting to give control of communication and data back to the people.

                                  Plebbit only hosts text. Images from google and other sites can be linked/embedded in posts. This fixes the issue of hosting any nefarious content.

                                  ENS domain are used to name communities.

                                  Plebbit currently offers different UIs. Old reddit UI and new reddit, 4chan, and have a Blog. Plebbit intend to have an app, internet archive, wiki and twitter and Lemmy UI . Choice is important. The backend/communities are shared across clients.

                                  anyone can contribute, build their own client, and shape the ecosystem

                                  Important Links :

                                  Home

                                  https://plebbit.com/home

                                  App

                                  https://plebbit.com/home#cb2a9c90-6f09-44b2-be03-75f543f9f5aa

                                  FAQ

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/blob/master/FAQ.md

                                  Whitepapers

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper/discussions/2

                                  Github

                                  https://github.com/plebbit

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/plebbit-react/releases

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/seedit

                                  https://github.com/plebbit/seedit/releases

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                                  Looks promising, but too difficult to use for average user.

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                                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                    i don't trust any messenger system that uses the word "serverless". such a word is misleading, at best, and a scam more likely.

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                                    I agree in general, just like the word "decentralized". But in this case it's legit, because it simply means it's p2p. I'd call bitcoin "serverless" as well, so it's BitTorrent and IPFS. Plebbit is exactly the same: you open the desktop app and it runs a p2p node automatically in the background, to run your subplebbit, and users connect to it peer to peer. Your p2p node is not really a "server", because it doesn't require any centralized domain to function, it uses transport protocols and peer discovery instead.

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                                      no global admins, and no way shut down communities-meaning true censorship resistance.

                                      "True censorship resistance" is not a desirable property. No normal user wants to deal with moderation. You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

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                                      You need to have a structure for delegating moderation and such tasks to other people.

                                      We actually have it: since there's no central database of communities, who decides which ones appear in the homepage of the apps to first-time users? We use a "default list" of communities, which is effectively moderated (vetoed) by the app developer. This is the only "global admin" we basically have, but it's only for the app itself, not the protocol, and it still doesn't stop users from connecting p2p to the community (depending on the app, some plebbit client developers could implement blacklists).

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                                        No moderation seems like a recipe for disaster

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                                        The communities moderate themselves with their own admins, just like on reddit. The difference is, there's no global admins that can censor communities or enforce global rules. However, the plebbit app developer can basically act like a global admin by blacklisting connections to certain communities. I predict the most popular plebbit apps won't include such blacklisting functions.

                                        Plebbit is like BitTorrent, there's no global BitTorrent admin. You use a BitTorrent client (like uTorrent) to download torrents, and the client could technically blacklist your torrent. You use a plebbit client (like Seedit) to download a subplebbit, and the client could technically blacklist your subplebbit.

                                        It's entirely possible that more centralized plebbit clients will be created, to be published on app stores for example, and they will implement whitelists of safe communities to participate in, blocking any other community.

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                                          @Plebbitor I could not join the matrix, please check the server is OK 😓

                                          @programming

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                                          nobody is running the matrix server at the moment, if you are interested in running it dm @estebanabaroa on telegram

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