Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?
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As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full "patriotic" support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.
And Lemmy is disproportionately representative of the 1/3 who are aware.
If you look at the comments on a random public social media post, you’ll find the delusional third or half.
It basically boils down to where they’re getting their information, or rather, whether it’s information or “information”. A large swath of the population is so propagandized by right wing rag “media” that they are functionally incapable of rational thought.
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It's you. They're talking about you.
Please, elaborate...
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The West Coast is well aware. I really can't see anyone in the US not being aware of our country's wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I'm kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them... with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.
Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he'll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it's a good business deal. He's so dumb he might just do it.
Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they're the big prize but take us too!
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yeah but the active constant surveillance keeps us from talking with each other about it in public/privately owned buildings/urban areas/in cars/anywhere a phone is present
basically we have to go on camping trips if we want to actually discuss
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The fascists own all the media organizations. The population has been taught systematically since birth to have unyielding blind faith in the institutions of the state. Many won't understand that anything unusual is happening until they're hungry and cold, burying empty caskets for their drafted children sent to die in fascist wars of conquests.
Nope. They'll still blame it on Biden.
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The West Coast is well aware. I really can't see anyone in the US not being aware of our country's wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I'm kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them... with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.
There are some workable solutions inside the nation as well, as the federal system is dismantled. If WA, OR, CA, HI, the tribal counsels, and maybe AZ and NM (if they can play nice) got together, we could do a number of things to shore up the left part of the US.
First, states are not subject to patent. Each could choose a critical, expensive medication and produce it, sharing supply around the compact. Tribes could easily make epi-pens for their share.
Second, tie this into a compact equivalent of a multi-state healthcare that creates a floor healthcare for all citizens. Hawaii could lead this effort, they essentially already have it in their state. Get to the point you can cover people with income up to $70,000/yr california equivalent (based on living expenses) and let healthcare companies create supplemental plans like for medicare.
Third, as trump wrecks FEMA, form compacts for emergency response with mexico and canada and among these states. This is not currently legal but if FEMA is gone, why not just do it and who cares.
Fourth, create cooperative food sharing among states for excess crops. Federal programs just got destroyed, and california has a lot of excess supply. Let the compact members have a market where they can, as states, buy excess for their food programs. Let the program deal as an entity with non-compact states, which isn’t controlling interstate commerce, feds, it’s just the free market at work using the power of liberty to make red states either meet the price or we look outside the US.
A lot of this just recreates existing structures that are being destroyed, but leaves the red states that destroyed them to fend for themselves.
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The West Coast is well aware. I really can't see anyone in the US not being aware of our country's wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I'm kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them... with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.
No thanks, our Conservatives are further to the left than your democrats, and California has the population of the rest of Canada combined. You can make your own country
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Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he'll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it's a good business deal. He's so dumb he might just do it.
Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they're the big prize but take us too!
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The USA was a rogue terrorist state already for decades in it's meaning for foreign policy and illegal wars. They did a worse thing than Russia did with Ukraine when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with flimsy excuses, except it was not a country on their doorstep but on the other side of the world.
Nobody is "aware" of this. People continue talking about US doing this or helping that as if they were not a rogue state.
So far Trump hasn't done anything irreversible "rogue state" in regards to international relations. He constantly sprays shit everywhere to get people to loose their minds. Yeah he's threatening to invade any nation where they could plunder, but he's only saying the quite part out loud. The US has been doing that for decades.
I also don't believe (hope) that Trump actually will start a war. It's not his stage. It's a long complicated affair where he isn't in the spotlight and doesn't get to shine and control the narrative with chaos and then hop onto the next thing the next week. He might bomb this or that as long as it's quick to do, but he only wants to appear as the big man. Obviously this is just speculation.
If you mean "failed state" or no longer a democracy, I don't think people think that already. They assume they can vote again for another obama / biden type in 4 years.
See, you think you're being cool and witty and making a wry observation, but what you're REALLY doing is diminishing the situation at hand.
I know you have your politics, and you want to promulgate them, but you and people who talk like you make it really difficult for anyone to take it seriously that this is a legitimate constitutional crisis.
Do you honestly think it was as bad under any president in my lifetime, and that covers Kennedy through Biden, as it is now? Do you legitimately think that this is just the same status quo as it always has been?
I am curious what your position is? You think we ought to just ignore it then, because it's just the same as it's always been?
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I hope that people outside the US are aware of how quickly the rhetoric is shifting within the US. The right wing machine is rapidly spinning up a normalization of the ideas that: the US doesn’t need allies at all, the US has zero obligation to abide by international treaties, and the rest of the world is available for us to take. By ‘take’ I mean utter economic dominion and/or military conquest and/or territorial annexation.
The speed at which things are deteriorating here is shocking. An imperial US is a terrifying prospect. This deranged, entitled joke of a country has both an effectively endless supply of armaments and a depraved indifference to the suffering of people abroad and here at home.
The world has a metastasizing US problem.
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Most of us are either completely deluded or utterly crushed by the collapse of our entire system of government. We know this is corrupt, and we want to organize to bring it to an end. But we have so many checks and balances that even if we all marched today with pitchforks and torches it wouldn't effect any real change without burning down every police station, city hall, state house, and the federal buildings. All while hoping the military doesn't show up and now us down with their weaponry. All the whole knowing that there has been a sharp rise in the popularity of police using violence and death as a deterrent.
In short, we know, and we can't see any way out of this mess. It wasn't supposed to be possible, and looking back we all saw it coming. But we were just dismissed as alarmists every time we spoke up and we are surrounded by morons who think this is the best thing that has ever happened to this national.
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We understand that fully 1/3 of our population are absolutely bonkers. It's like being in a boat at see and 1/3 of the passengers are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. What the rest of the world should know is that no matter how fucked it seems at the moment, it is going to get worse. We are on the precipice of a climate catastrophe. The AMOC is going to grind to a halt, Europe is going to go into a deep freeze, weather patterns globally are going to fall apart and become chaotic. The real problems are in the distance, so you should prepare yourselves.
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Rogue empire
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I'm aware
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What do you mean, "a rouge state"? We are a country of states united, and none of us are rogue. Do you mean we're a rogue country in our grouping of western countries?
If so, then yes. But rogue tends to be our flavor. We were born of it.
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Some of us are. No idea how many. We are separated into news bubbles.
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Nah, we good.
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What do you mean, "a rouge state"? We are a country of states united, and none of us are rogue. Do you mean we're a rogue country in our grouping of western countries?
If so, then yes. But rogue tends to be our flavor. We were born of it.
By rogue state, I mean a country that poses a threat to world peace due to its unstable and dangerous government.
As a rule, the following criteria are usually applied, almost all of which the USA now fulfills:
- Authoritarian or totalitarian government
- Severe restriction of human rights
- Promotion of terrorism
- Pursuit of weapons of mass destruction
- Unpredictable and dangerous foreign policy
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Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he'll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it's a good business deal. He's so dumb he might just do it.
Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they're the big prize but take us too!
Those three states would more than double the population of Canada and overwhelm their political system. I wouldn't do that if I were them.
