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Are people in the US aware that they are now definitely a rogue state, or is this fact simply covered up by the usual patriotism?

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    Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he'll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it's a good business deal. He's so dumb he might just do it.

    Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they're the big prize but take us too! 😭

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    Shitler would never let CA go.

    CA is the forth largest economy in the world. It would humiliate him to let CA leave the union.

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      The USA was a rogue terrorist state already for decades in it's meaning for foreign policy and illegal wars. They did a worse thing than Russia did with Ukraine when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan with flimsy excuses, except it was not a country on their doorstep but on the other side of the world.

      Nobody is "aware" of this. People continue talking about US doing this or helping that as if they were not a rogue state.

      So far Trump hasn't done anything irreversible "rogue state" in regards to international relations. He constantly sprays shit everywhere to get people to loose their minds. Yeah he's threatening to invade any nation where they could plunder, but he's only saying the quite part out loud. The US has been doing that for decades.

      I also don't believe (hope) that Trump actually will start a war. It's not his stage. It's a long complicated affair where he isn't in the spotlight and doesn't get to shine and control the narrative with chaos and then hop onto the next thing the next week. He might bomb this or that as long as it's quick to do, but he only wants to appear as the big man. Obviously this is just speculation.

      If you mean "failed state" or no longer a democracy, I don't think people think that already. They assume they can vote again for another obama / biden type in 4 years.

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      See, you think you're being cool and witty and making a wry observation, but what you're REALLY doing is diminishing the situation at hand.

      I know you have your politics, and you want to promulgate them, but you and people who talk like you make it really difficult for anyone to take it seriously that this is a legitimate constitutional crisis.

      Do you honestly think it was as bad under any president in my lifetime, and that covers Kennedy through Biden, as it is now? Do you legitimately think that this is just the same status quo as it always has been?

      I am curious what your position is? You think we ought to just ignore it then, because it's just the same as it's always been?

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        I hope that people outside the US are aware of how quickly the rhetoric is shifting within the US. The right wing machine is rapidly spinning up a normalization of the ideas that: the US doesn’t need allies at all, the US has zero obligation to abide by international treaties, and the rest of the world is available for us to take. By ‘take’ I mean utter economic dominion and/or military conquest and/or territorial annexation.

        The speed at which things are deteriorating here is shocking. An imperial US is a terrifying prospect. This deranged, entitled joke of a country has both an effectively endless supply of armaments and a depraved indifference to the suffering of people abroad and here at home.

        The world has a metastasizing US problem.

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          Most of us are either completely deluded or utterly crushed by the collapse of our entire system of government. We know this is corrupt, and we want to organize to bring it to an end. But we have so many checks and balances that even if we all marched today with pitchforks and torches it wouldn't effect any real change without burning down every police station, city hall, state house, and the federal buildings. All while hoping the military doesn't show up and now us down with their weaponry. All the whole knowing that there has been a sharp rise in the popularity of police using violence and death as a deterrent.

          In short, we know, and we can't see any way out of this mess. It wasn't supposed to be possible, and looking back we all saw it coming. But we were just dismissed as alarmists every time we spoke up and we are surrounded by morons who think this is the best thing that has ever happened to this national.

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            I’ve been saying this is inevitable since at least 2004. I’ve been called every name you can pretty much call someone.

            I hate being right it fucking sucks.

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              We understand that fully 1/3 of our population are absolutely bonkers. It's like being in a boat at see and 1/3 of the passengers are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. What the rest of the world should know is that no matter how fucked it seems at the moment, it is going to get worse. We are on the precipice of a climate catastrophe. The AMOC is going to grind to a halt, Europe is going to go into a deep freeze, weather patterns globally are going to fall apart and become chaotic. The real problems are in the distance, so you should prepare yourselves.

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                Rogue empire

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                  I'm aware

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                    What do you mean, "a rouge state"? We are a country of states united, and none of us are rogue. Do you mean we're a rogue country in our grouping of western countries?

                    If so, then yes. But rogue tends to be our flavor. We were born of it.

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                      Some of us are. No idea how many. We are separated into news bubbles.

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                        Nah, we good.

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                          What do you mean, "a rouge state"? We are a country of states united, and none of us are rogue. Do you mean we're a rogue country in our grouping of western countries?

                          If so, then yes. But rogue tends to be our flavor. We were born of it.

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                          By rogue state, I mean a country that poses a threat to world peace due to its unstable and dangerous government.

                          As a rule, the following criteria are usually applied, almost all of which the USA now fulfills:

                          • Authoritarian or totalitarian government
                          • Severe restriction of human rights
                          • Promotion of terrorism
                          • Pursuit of weapons of mass destruction
                          • Unpredictable and dangerous foreign policy
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                            Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he'll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it's a good business deal. He's so dumb he might just do it.

                            Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they're the big prize but take us too! 😭

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                            Those three states would more than double the population of Canada and overwhelm their political system. I wouldn't do that if I were them.

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                              Please, elaborate...

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                              Democrats are the ones criticizing the ones actually trying to put out the fire but doing jack shit about it.

                              What's more, they're the ones who doused the house with gas not a half a year ago, and whenever they're not delighting in the terror going "oh I bet you must love it, you didn't vote for the lady with the matches and now you got the guy with the flamethrower" they're passing his budgets, they're complying with Musk's unelected goons, they're getting on with his Gaza agenda and largely silent about the protestors getting kidnapped.

                              Asking for donations isn't resisting, it's ransom.

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                                Everyone I know is nihilistic and numb. We know.

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                                  I’ve been saying this is inevitable since at least 2004. I’ve been called every name you can pretty much call someone.

                                  I hate being right it fucking sucks.

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                                  My friend . When you come to realizations like that or thoughts such as "we are all one, connected and God is love" you have got to keep it under your hat or people will think you've gone mad

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                                    We understand that fully 1/3 of our population are absolutely bonkers. It's like being in a boat at see and 1/3 of the passengers are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. What the rest of the world should know is that no matter how fucked it seems at the moment, it is going to get worse. We are on the precipice of a climate catastrophe. The AMOC is going to grind to a halt, Europe is going to go into a deep freeze, weather patterns globally are going to fall apart and become chaotic. The real problems are in the distance, so you should prepare yourselves.

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                                    But apart from all that, things are looking good?

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                                      Most of us are either completely deluded or utterly crushed by the collapse of our entire system of government. We know this is corrupt, and we want to organize to bring it to an end. But we have so many checks and balances that even if we all marched today with pitchforks and torches it wouldn't effect any real change without burning down every police station, city hall, state house, and the federal buildings. All while hoping the military doesn't show up and now us down with their weaponry. All the whole knowing that there has been a sharp rise in the popularity of police using violence and death as a deterrent.

                                      In short, we know, and we can't see any way out of this mess. It wasn't supposed to be possible, and looking back we all saw it coming. But we were just dismissed as alarmists every time we spoke up and we are surrounded by morons who think this is the best thing that has ever happened to this national.

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                                      Mass strikes. Call your union, other unions, whatever union. Organise a mass strike day. Repeat it every week.

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                                        It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.

                                        For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he's more than willing to ignore.

                                        Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don't seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they're outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.

                                        I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.

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                                        Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he’s more than willing to ignore.

                                        I think that's been one of the biggest surprises to this European spectator - that justice can be ignored if you're powerful enough in America.

                                        We had glimpses of it with the first end-of-term pardons. Then Biden did the same for his son, and Trump released all those who committed treason in his name on his first day of his second term. All those people were fund guilt after due process, but someone can unilaterally say "let them free" and they're out. I totally understand the lawyer quitting his career when Trump was "pardoned" for his own crimes after being elected. Biggest case of his career, years invested in training and work and he played a blinder - only for it to be turned to nothing.

                                        So we've learned that if you're rich in the US (because rich == powerful there like nowhere else in the world) then you are untouchable by justice. For a country that was literally born from a civil war, that's a pretty huge failing of its constitution.

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                                          I mean I know how terrible things are but refuse to accept it, either that or I'm numb and hope things will get better.

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