What's the best way of dealing with Maga hatred, white power, genocide denial and other things you see a Lemmy user espousing?
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I think Lemmy takes politics WAY too seriously and way too personally.
But, you must understand, to many people politics is very personal, whether they like it or not.
You are very lucky to be able to do your own thing, to have the privilege of politics being fun and not very serious. But to millions of people, this is, literally, a life and death matter.
And there you are, a perfect example. Taking politics way too personally and seriously. How is it a life and death matter for someone here in the US? It's not legal anywhere to cause death for any reason. (Not counting us prison system)
What people are at risk of death because of politics here in the US?
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And there you are, a perfect example. Taking politics way too personally and seriously. How is it a life and death matter for someone here in the US? It's not legal anywhere to cause death for any reason. (Not counting us prison system)
What people are at risk of death because of politics here in the US?
@DonaldJMusk @comfy Well, there are just things that are worse than death, aren't there?
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@DonaldJMusk @comfy Well, there are just things that are worse than death, aren't there?
Well, there are just things that are worse than death, aren’t there?
Lately, it's reading Lemmy comments. The ultimate punishment.
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And there you are, a perfect example. Taking politics way too personally and seriously. How is it a life and death matter for someone here in the US? It's not legal anywhere to cause death for any reason. (Not counting us prison system)
What people are at risk of death because of politics here in the US?
where, by law, no politician has the power to arbitrarily sentence people to death.
What does that have to do with anything? Politics isn't just elected politicians, it's not some entity distinct from society and the economy.
Politics is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources ^[wikipedia]^
In my country, the construction union forces their employers to follow safety procedures on site which the government does not legally enforce. Deaths of these construction workers due to workplace accidents has dropped because of workers using their political power as a trade union, while the government (due to pressure from construction employers) aims to dilute this power. In your country, unions have gradually lost a lot of their historic power and the rate of fatal workplace accidents is around double or more than most European countries, and close to that of Russia and Thailand. Workplace health and safety policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
In both our countries, there is a housing crisis which threatens more and more people and families with homelessness. This has huge impacts on their ability to work and even survive. Government policy impacts affordability of property, how much residential property is being built, the affordability of basic needs (like food and utilities), how much employers must pay for jobs, the rights of landlords and tenants (e.g. here there is an upper limit to how much a landlord can increase prices per month), social support to homeless people or those seeking work, and the legal concerns of homelessness (e.g. anti-camping laws, jail time for seeking shelter in vehicles, food disposal policy that promotes starvation). More and more people are dying because of homelessness and its effects. Housing policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Political policy in the US has infamously enabled widespread, normalized police brutality. This especially (but not exclusively!) affects minorities such as black peoples, queer people and autistic people, regularly and consistently leading to deaths from shooting, unjustified physical assault and sadistic negligence while imprisoned. Law enforcement policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
The 9/11 attacks killed thousands of innocent civilians. That was politics, al-Qaeda is a political organization who were responding to the direct results of US foreign policy. Hundreds of thousands more were killed overseas in the US "War on Terror", but even for its own domestic citizens, international geopolitics is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Those are just a few example across a range of well-known political topics, not even getting into more indirect aspects like deciding where government funding goes to (e.g. heart disease research - heart disease being the single biggest cause of death), and not even diving into non-government political organizing. Politics includes the more extreme anti-abortion activists working to make even life-saving abortions illegal. Politics includes insane mass shooters targeting minority groups. Politics includes the assassination of Brian Thompson.
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where, by law, no politician has the power to arbitrarily sentence people to death.
What does that have to do with anything? Politics isn't just elected politicians, it's not some entity distinct from society and the economy.
Politics is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources ^[wikipedia]^
In my country, the construction union forces their employers to follow safety procedures on site which the government does not legally enforce. Deaths of these construction workers due to workplace accidents has dropped because of workers using their political power as a trade union, while the government (due to pressure from construction employers) aims to dilute this power. In your country, unions have gradually lost a lot of their historic power and the rate of fatal workplace accidents is around double or more than most European countries, and close to that of Russia and Thailand. Workplace health and safety policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
In both our countries, there is a housing crisis which threatens more and more people and families with homelessness. This has huge impacts on their ability to work and even survive. Government policy impacts affordability of property, how much residential property is being built, the affordability of basic needs (like food and utilities), how much employers must pay for jobs, the rights of landlords and tenants (e.g. here there is an upper limit to how much a landlord can increase prices per month), social support to homeless people or those seeking work, and the legal concerns of homelessness (e.g. anti-camping laws, jail time for seeking shelter in vehicles, food disposal policy that promotes starvation). More and more people are dying because of homelessness and its effects. Housing policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Political policy in the US has infamously enabled widespread, normalized police brutality. This especially (but not exclusively!) affects minorities such as black peoples, queer people and autistic people, regularly and consistently leading to deaths from shooting, unjustified physical assault and sadistic negligence while imprisoned. Law enforcement policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
The 9/11 attacks killed thousands of innocent civilians. That was politics, al-Qaeda is a political organization who were responding to the direct results of US foreign policy. Hundreds of thousands more were killed overseas in the US "War on Terror", but even for its own domestic citizens, international geopolitics is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Those are just a few example across a range of well-known political topics, not even getting into more indirect aspects like deciding where government funding goes to (e.g. heart disease research - heart disease being the single biggest cause of death), and not even diving into non-government political organizing. Politics includes the more extreme anti-abortion activists working to make even life-saving abortions illegal. Politics includes insane mass shooters targeting minority groups. Politics includes the assassination of Brian Thompson.
In my country,
So you are arguing with me about US politics, and you aren't even in the US?! There's more to us that you see in the news.
This conversation is over. You don't even live here, bro! lol
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Well, there are just things that are worse than death, aren’t there?
Lately, it's reading Lemmy comments. The ultimate punishment.
No one is forcing you.
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Good for you! I haven't come across any Nazis here yet. Thanks for the warning.
There's certainly a few who support fascists with fascist policies, and people who also support dictatorship.
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There's certainly a few who support fascists with fascist policies, and people who also support dictatorship.
I haven't seen any.
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No one is forcing you.
No one said I was being forced.
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I haven't seen any.
Quick question, who did you name yourself after? If you're American, did you vote for trump?
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Quick question, who did you name yourself after? If you're American, did you vote for trump?
Nah, this isn't about me. I prefer to stay private about stuff like that. Thanks for trying, tho!
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Nah, this isn't about me. I prefer to stay private about stuff like that. Thanks for trying, tho!
Well that's absolutely fair but people who support trump, support fascist dictators. So there's your answer! I've seen some people on here who support trump, so they are supporting his fascist and dictatorial policies. That should clear things up for you!
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Well that's absolutely fair but people who support trump, support fascist dictators. So there's your answer! I've seen some people on here who support trump, so they are supporting his fascist and dictatorial policies. That should clear things up for you!
That’s a lazy guilt-by-association fallacy. Supporting a politician doesn't mean endorsing every extreme label slapped on them. If Trump were a fascist dictator, he wouldn’t have lost an election, left office, or faced multiple legal challenges from independent courts.
Fascism also requires suppression of free speech, yet his critics dominate every major media and social platform including this one, Lemmy.
Just because you dislike someone doesn’t make them a fascist. That’s emotion, not logic.
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That’s a lazy guilt-by-association fallacy. Supporting a politician doesn't mean endorsing every extreme label slapped on them. If Trump were a fascist dictator, he wouldn’t have lost an election, left office, or faced multiple legal challenges from independent courts.
Fascism also requires suppression of free speech, yet his critics dominate every major media and social platform including this one, Lemmy.
Just because you dislike someone doesn’t make them a fascist. That’s emotion, not logic.
No its not.
It's not endorsing him based on labels its his fascist dictatorial actions that make him a fascist dictator.
You're right about Suppression of free speech, that's why he wanting to deport people who criticism him glad we agree he is against free speech.
I'm not calling him a fascist because I disagree or dislike him I am calling him one because he is. It's logical. Fawning over and defending him is emotional, and lacking logic.
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No its not.
It's not endorsing him based on labels its his fascist dictatorial actions that make him a fascist dictator.
You're right about Suppression of free speech, that's why he wanting to deport people who criticism him glad we agree he is against free speech.
I'm not calling him a fascist because I disagree or dislike him I am calling him one because he is. It's logical. Fawning over and defending him is emotional, and lacking logic.
Wanting something and doing it are not the same. Trump did not deport anyone for criticizing him, and the First Amendment is still fully in place.
If he were truly a fascist dictator, he would have dissolved Congress, taken control of the courts, and jailed opposition leaders. Which never happened.
Labeling someone a fascist just because you interpret their rhetoric in the worst possible light is not logic, it’s bias disguised as argument.
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Wanting something and doing it are not the same. Trump did not deport anyone for criticizing him, and the First Amendment is still fully in place.
If he were truly a fascist dictator, he would have dissolved Congress, taken control of the courts, and jailed opposition leaders. Which never happened.
Labeling someone a fascist just because you interpret their rhetoric in the worst possible light is not logic, it’s bias disguised as argument.
Except for banning AP at press events disputes a judge ruling they are allowed to be there? Funny 1st amendment being upheld. Or using cops to force their way through protestors for an photo op? Free speech wasn't upheld there.
If he were truly a fascist dictator, he would have dissolved Congress, taken control of the courts, and jailed opposition leaders. Which never happened.
All false none of that needs to happen for him to be a dictator, when all the gop cronies are aligned with him.
Labeling someone a fascist just because you interpret their rhetoric in the worst possible light is not logic, it’s bias disguised as argument.
How do you interpret that you won't need to vote again? Or the home grows are next, or ignoring the judiciary as anything worse than the worst possible light? It's only logical that these are the facts, and it's not bias. Bias is ignoring, or defend these truths by plugging your ears.
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Except for banning AP at press events disputes a judge ruling they are allowed to be there? Funny 1st amendment being upheld. Or using cops to force their way through protestors for an photo op? Free speech wasn't upheld there.
If he were truly a fascist dictator, he would have dissolved Congress, taken control of the courts, and jailed opposition leaders. Which never happened.
All false none of that needs to happen for him to be a dictator, when all the gop cronies are aligned with him.
Labeling someone a fascist just because you interpret their rhetoric in the worst possible light is not logic, it’s bias disguised as argument.
How do you interpret that you won't need to vote again? Or the home grows are next, or ignoring the judiciary as anything worse than the worst possible light? It's only logical that these are the facts, and it's not bias. Bias is ignoring, or defend these truths by plugging your ears.
Your argument relies on selective incidents and misinterpretations, lacking the comprehensive evidence needed to label Trump a fascist dictator.
The claim that Trump used police to clear protesters for a photo op at St. John's Church has been scrutinized. A U.S. watchdog found that the decision to clear the area was made to install fencing, not for the photo opportunity.
How do you interpret that you won’t need to vote again?
Please show me proof that we won't be able to vote again.Or the home grows are next,
Drugs suck. Including weed lol
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Your argument relies on selective incidents and misinterpretations, lacking the comprehensive evidence needed to label Trump a fascist dictator.
The claim that Trump used police to clear protesters for a photo op at St. John's Church has been scrutinized. A U.S. watchdog found that the decision to clear the area was made to install fencing, not for the photo opportunity.
How do you interpret that you won’t need to vote again?
Please show me proof that we won't be able to vote again.Or the home grows are next,
Drugs suck. Including weed lol
Your argument relies on selective incidents
Duh?
misinterpretations, lacking the comprehensive evidence needed to label Trump a fascist dictator.
Lol, no, making excuses for this shit heel requires super gold level mental gymnastics.
The claim that Trump used police to clear protesters for a photo op at St. John's Church has been scrutinized. A U.S. watchdog found that the decision to clear the area was made to install fencing, not for the photo opportunity.
Sure thing. Why was he surrounded by guards for a clear photo op hahaha.
Please show me proof that we won't be able to vote again
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/
He literally said it.
Drugs suck. Including weed lol
I don't care for drugs, but he's talking about deporting us citizens.
Cope as you like.
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Your argument relies on selective incidents
Duh?
misinterpretations, lacking the comprehensive evidence needed to label Trump a fascist dictator.
Lol, no, making excuses for this shit heel requires super gold level mental gymnastics.
The claim that Trump used police to clear protesters for a photo op at St. John's Church has been scrutinized. A U.S. watchdog found that the decision to clear the area was made to install fencing, not for the photo opportunity.
Sure thing. Why was he surrounded by guards for a clear photo op hahaha.
Please show me proof that we won't be able to vote again
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/
He literally said it.
Drugs suck. Including weed lol
I don't care for drugs, but he's talking about deporting us citizens.
Cope as you like.
Sure thing. Why was he surrounded by guards for a clear photo op hahaha.
Maybe read all of the "I wish the shooter would have been a better shot" comments on Lemmy. Maybe that will tell you why.
He literally said it.
He says a lot of shit. Doesn't make it law or truth. So where is the proof that we won't be able to vote again? Any changes made to the constitution? How come every single newspaper in the world isn't reporting on the fact that we won't be able to vote again?
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Sure thing. Why was he surrounded by guards for a clear photo op hahaha.
Maybe read all of the "I wish the shooter would have been a better shot" comments on Lemmy. Maybe that will tell you why.
He literally said it.
He says a lot of shit. Doesn't make it law or truth. So where is the proof that we won't be able to vote again? Any changes made to the constitution? How come every single newspaper in the world isn't reporting on the fact that we won't be able to vote again?
Maybe read all of the "I wish the shooter would have been a better shot" comments on Lemmy. Maybe that will tell you why.
First term vs running for 2nd. Not the same. Also he didn't need to go to a fucking church to take a photo op.
He says a lot of shit. Doesn't make it law or truth. So where is the proof that we won't be able to vote again? Any changes made to the constitution? How come every single newspaper in the world isn't reporting on the fact that we won't be able to vote again?
Do you know what plans are? You can't seriously not see the issue with this. Will this only matter once it happens, or the fact that he is even alluding to it. Nothing matters until it happens? That's your argument? He doesn't care about the constitution, see prior ignoring the 1st amendment, and ignoring the judiciary.
It was reported on. He keeps adding more and more bull shit. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of the news cycle? You are aware the major news orgs are owned by like 6 companies right?
https://www.webfx.com/blog/internet/the-6-companies-that-own-almost-all-media-infographic/
