Highway to hell!
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It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you’re free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don’t have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
If that isn't the most accurate description of driving through Germany, I don't know what is
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99% of the time it’s obvious, especially with modern cars that read the signs plus apps like google maps (though sometimes at least one of those is wrong). You can also look around and see how fast everybody is going, eg. when you enter the highway in an unknown area, and not sure about the speed limit for that section. If I’m uncertain, I just drive normally until I see a sign that comfirms the speed limit.
I am regularly going around 200 km/h, and the only ticket I got was going 99 at an 80 sign next to a closer and renovated lane. It was around midnight, I was already slowing down, but didn’t want to slam on the brakes harder.
What does the signs say? "No Limit" in german?
Also how often are they spaced?
And can you trust google maps complete? (and what does it say there?)
Sorry lots of questions, I really have no plan of driving like a mad man, but if the conditions, dry, high visiblity, good car spacing, good road, then I see no reason not to drive faster.
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Signs are quite visible. Around here (Munich) most of the Autobahn speed limits are electronic signs anyways, which can be turned off or on set to a limit between 60 and 120 due to traffic or weather conditions. *
"Normal" speed limits signs are being repeated every 30 seconds or so, google. maps also shows the limit while navigating and a lot of newer cars detect the signs as well and show the current limit on the speedometer.
Current cars must play a warning sound (by law) each time you exceed the limit. (You may turn the warning off for the current trip)
- btw there's one electronic sign per lane on a "bridge - like" construction and here in Bavaria they include mounting points for speed trap cameras.
Cool and what do the "no limit" signs say specifically? They just look like this?
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It's more like if you drive too fast you're not insured. Oh, by the way, road works, 80km/h. Aaaand you're free again! Have f- oh no, roadworks again, 80 pls. Ok done. Now you can really hit the gas! Joke, roadworks again haha, 80! Finally done, now we promise we don't have roadworks anymore, enjoy! Aaaand welcome to the Netherlands, 100 please.
if you drive too fast you’re not insured
I explicitly asked my insurance company (verbally, not a chatbot) about this last time I went to Germany. They said as long as I'm not breaking any laws, my insurance is valid. No speed limit means there is no "too fast to be insured".
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if you drive too fast you’re not insured
I explicitly asked my insurance company (verbally, not a chatbot) about this last time I went to Germany. They said as long as I'm not breaking any laws, my insurance is valid. No speed limit means there is no "too fast to be insured".
I believe it only counts for German insurance companies. As it's their country with no speed limit, so it's a standard extra risk. When you go abroad to Germany your own insurance doesn't have these high risks because it's not all their customers driving on these roads. But that's what I think, I'm not sure but it sounds logic to me.
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What does the signs say? "No Limit" in german?
Also how often are they spaced?
And can you trust google maps complete? (and what does it say there?)
Sorry lots of questions, I really have no plan of driving like a mad man, but if the conditions, dry, high visiblity, good car spacing, good road, then I see no reason not to drive faster.
This is the sign, hard to miss:
Usually I only see them at the beginning of no limit sections. Google is more often wrong than the dashboard info in my car that is reading the signs.
And sorry if I misread you, but based your questions you seem quite anxious about the autobahn. Maybe this is just your general careful personality, or maybe you’re young and not an experienced driver already. Regardless, I urge you to be careful about very high speeds, it is really a very different world and can be dangerous. You need to pay an insane amount of attention and react very quickly and confidently to the intentions and actions other cars.
Again, sorry if I misread you based on your comments, but if you don’t feel confident enough yet, try getting some more driving experience at regular highway speeds, maybe even test yourself on a closed racing track, or do some driving training.
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regarding the legality of breaking the sound barrier:
if i remember correctly there’s is an indirect general speedlimit, because any vehicle moving below a certain height is not allowed to go beyond 400 something kph. now this is intended for planes and helicopters and such, but afaik also applies to cars. therefore breaking the sound barrier, sadly, would be illegal.
besides, i think breaking the sound barrier is limited to certain zones anyways.i’m not trying to nitpick on the joke, but rather give supplementary information that may be interesting.
Plus there's noise limits.
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At least their fines aren't as ludicrously high as other EU countries. It's only high when you speed next to roadworks I think.
Which is wrong. Fines have to be linked to income and they must hurt or they are just a tax.
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Which is wrong. Fines have to be linked to income and they must hurt or they are just a tax.
Yeah, in Norway they are income based AFAIK. In the Netherlands it's just insanely expensive for normal people and a premium subscription for rich people to drive faster
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Cool and what do the "no limit" signs say specifically? They just look like this?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Right, they are "end of speed limit". So, if there's speed limit signs you'll find another speed limit or this "end of limits" sign afterwards. This doesn't mean "go qs fast as you want", it just means there's no additional limit on top of what the road type says.
So if it's a road where ongoing and incoming traffic is just divided by road markings, the limit is 100 (or below if there are speed limit signs), if the road has two halves with some barrier in the middle ("baulich getrennte Fahrbahnen") and at least two lanes per direction the recommended speed is 130 with no hard limits. (But the insurance might get back to you if you were driving tooo fast)
Btw interestingly while we may drive really fast we have a law against racing your car (including racing to the next stop light), if you do that you might lose your driving license and not get it back for a looong time. (And that's really expensive)
Last, if you do traffic violations which are more than a misdemeanor (for example tailgating) and they catch you, your license will be suspended for at least a month, but typically more.
Interestingly minor violations like being up to 20kph too fast outside of city limits is. among the cheapest all over Europe. But do something bad and you'll ride a bike for a few months.
Edit: thank you autocorrect for correcting so if to son of.... now everyone knows what a filthy mouth I am.
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I believe it only counts for German insurance companies. As it's their country with no speed limit, so it's a standard extra risk. When you go abroad to Germany your own insurance doesn't have these high risks because it's not all their customers driving on these roads. But that's what I think, I'm not sure but it sounds logic to me.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Nah I think this is a misunderstanding. I've never seen insurance conditions that stipulate a general speed limit.
But what does happen is that if you're in a high-speed accident, police may assign part of the blame to you for driving in a reckless manner, and that may result in a reduced or no payout. -
Also, if you are faster than 130 kph and have an accident, you’re always deemed to be partially at fault, no matter what happened
Not always, but it's always a risk.
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Nah I think this is a misunderstanding. I've never seen insurance conditions that stipulate a general speed limit.
But what does happen is that if you're in a high-speed accident, police may assign part of the blame to you for driving in a reckless manner, and that may result in a reduced or no payout.This is what chatgpt says:
Insurance and Liability Considerations
While exceeding the recommended speed is not illegal, it can affect liability in the event of an accident:
Increased Liability: If you're involved in an accident while driving over 130 km/h, you may be held partially liable, even if the other party is primarily at fault. This is because higher speeds are associated with increased operational risk.
Insurance Implications: Your insurance coverage may still apply, but the insurer could reduce compensation if it's determined that your excessive speed contributed to the accident's severity.
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Of course, you are right, but ...
if you are driving fast and don't want to constantly switch lanes imo it is ok to drive in the left lane while constantly checking if there is someone behind you for whom you need switch to the right lane (yeah, yeah, still illegal).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No it's not okay, sorry. Switching lanes is what you do when overtaking, there is no way around it regardless of speed. And on the Autobahn, your attention is supposed to be directed ahead. Waiting to switch lanes once traffic approaches from behind is not a reliable strategy. Please keep right.
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I moved to Germany 2 years ago, and was afraid of highways being like Mad Max, but I was positively surprised.
Most drivers are very attentive and skilled, keeping the rules, driving safe. I like it much better, than Eastern EU, where people are also going 150+, and are being assholes in the meantime. The upper limit of 130 just puts stress on me, because I obey the laws, but the giant SUV in my ass flashing their highbeams does not. In Germany this barely happens to me, most drivers are polite and safe, even in expensive sports cars.
I really came to enjoy the liberating feeling of driving at my own (and the traffic’s) pace on the autobahn. Yesterday I was travelling between Dusseldorf and Berlin, long open stretches of 3-lane roads, with only a few cars around. I was going around 200, yet I saw a car far behind me coming up fast, some polite flashes of lights from the distance, I pull to the right, and let a Porsche pass me quickly.
I might sound like a carbrain, but I’m not. Everybody should try German highways once, so they can form their own opinion, and not judge based on internet memes. I feel 10x safer on the autobahn, than on some shitty Eastern EU highway with a bunch of apes around me, who don’t care about the rules.
On the Autobahn, always stay in the right lane if you are not passing. If the Polizei catch you lingering in the passing lane, they might ticket you.
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No it's not okay, sorry. Switching lanes is what you do when overtaking, there is no way around it regardless of speed. And on the Autobahn, your attention is supposed to be directed ahead. Waiting to switch lanes once traffic approaches from behind is not a reliable strategy. Please keep right.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You can consistantly overtake in the left lane which is more or less what he's doing anyway.
it also creates a buffer zone... personally, i don't like going by trucks that close at that speed
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The US drivers could not handle the German traffic rules, punishments and technical checks for their vehicles. Over half of the vehicles in the USA would fail the Dekra and TÜV inspections.
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So it's a good time to say it once more, a lot of this is based on myths, not knowledge.
Having no speed limit is a really bad thing for both the environnement AND for public safety.
https://www.datawrapper.de/blog/the-case-for-speed-limits and so many more examples.
But what about my freedom?
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Plus there's noise limits.
If you break the sound barrier then there is no noise.
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Right, they are "end of speed limit". So, if there's speed limit signs you'll find another speed limit or this "end of limits" sign afterwards. This doesn't mean "go qs fast as you want", it just means there's no additional limit on top of what the road type says.
So if it's a road where ongoing and incoming traffic is just divided by road markings, the limit is 100 (or below if there are speed limit signs), if the road has two halves with some barrier in the middle ("baulich getrennte Fahrbahnen") and at least two lanes per direction the recommended speed is 130 with no hard limits. (But the insurance might get back to you if you were driving tooo fast)
Btw interestingly while we may drive really fast we have a law against racing your car (including racing to the next stop light), if you do that you might lose your driving license and not get it back for a looong time. (And that's really expensive)
Last, if you do traffic violations which are more than a misdemeanor (for example tailgating) and they catch you, your license will be suspended for at least a month, but typically more.
Interestingly minor violations like being up to 20kph too fast outside of city limits is. among the cheapest all over Europe. But do something bad and you'll ride a bike for a few months.
Edit: thank you autocorrect for correcting so if to son of.... now everyone knows what a filthy mouth I am.
Right, so 2 lanes and a barrier means 130, unless I see an end of speed limit sign.
Tailgaiting will cost me my license?
DAMN! No wonder you drive so well in germany. I had no idea. Also driving fast from stop light to stop light is also a shock to me. But I guess it also depends on the car. Like if you have a car that can really move fast, then that has to be worse than an ID4?
