Plex has paywalled my server!
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Free as in freedom, not as in free beer.
I thought we switched to libre for that definition and since then used free only as in free beer.
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Its not a local connection if you're getting this message. You might be in the same network, but for some reason it's not connecting directly.
You're assuming something that you just cant. I run this network alongside 5 others, some of them professional, for years. My configuration is standard and i'm using the software the same way i did for years.
If plex redirects my call to their server, that is their problem, not mine. I dont care what their inner workings are. I use a local address and this has happened for the first time.
Is it possible that it is an honest mistake on the side of plex? Yes.
That does not absolve them from the end result.
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Many places don't enforce those laws for simply torrenting.
Some countries (US) ask the ISP to send warning letters and might disable the internet. In other countries law firms get personal details from the ISP and send a costly letter of a thousand Euro for a single infraction like in Germany.
That's true, but ISPs have logs. And if something happens that makes the police change their mind about enforcing the law, you might be fucked, retroactively.
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Plex sucks the butt
They're definitely not doing the right thing with paywalling existing features on legacy systems.
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Exposing Jellyfin/ plex through routing or SNAT plus dyndns would be a cheap option.
As soon as one rents a VPS (to expose the selfhosted at home service through routing/ tunneling) it would cost at least 2€/ month?
Which has nothing to do with this local setup being suddenly paywalled. As others have pointed out, it seems like plex has led me to set it up in a way that always uses the remote connection and since they now paywalled that, i cant use it anymore until i either pay or change my setup.
Which i did. I now use jellyfin.
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It isn't hitting it locally is the issue. Not an uncommon problem with plex unfortunately, its going out to come back in, so the server and client see it as remote.
Without playback you wouldn't even be able to see that in the dashboard, which just makes the direction Plex is going so much more problematic.
Like I said, better off using JF.
Yeah, i assume it isnt. It got pointed out a couple times that it is a plex configuration problem which plex doesnt point out either btw.
In any case, thanks for helping and participating. Have a good one.
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Plex has paywalled my server!
Skill issue tbh.
Yeah but not on my end.
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OP has set it up wrong so it’s ALL going remote, even when he’s in the same house.
I have it set up in a way. That does not make it wrong. This is an option that plex gives you without warning so its their problem in the first place. They also just paywalled that feature that worked for years and they're not considering the consequences or they dont care. The least they could have done is put a link "if youre seeing this on your home network, you need to do THIS."
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Some FOSS projects are supported by having a for-profit company offer turnkey packaging and support for those projects. Look at TrueNAS. They sell nice NAS hardware preconfigured with their software and the profits support the development.
Good point. I wanna point out that plex is not foss. Its closed source software which makes those moves even more idiotic because they could have paywalled new servers and accounts instead or weaned people off from their servers if they use local only, etc.
But yes, one only needs to look at foss projects like lemmy, pixelfed, kde, gnome to see how it is done. This absolutely means you have to have more people than just yourself or you will definitely burn out.
Tldr: some use gov funding, kickstarter, additional features, turnkey hosting, explain and ask for donations, etc.
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Exactly. Thats why i use jellyfin now. Try installing it alongside. For me it worked well.
Its already installed, but missing features, i was waiting for them to finish the db changes, because thats whats blocking them...
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In this thread:
- An OP that doesn’t understand how their network is working
- People rushing to suggest a solution that they fawn over because it’s open source. I have yet to see anyone recommend Emby.
- “Tailscale will solve all your problems!” Great - how do I make that work on an LG TV that’s 100 miles away?
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I thought we switched to libre for that definition and since then used free only as in free beer.
Libre (from French) is sometimes used to solve the ambiguity of the word free in the English language, but it sounds kinda awkward in English and there's certainly no consensus that this should be the official replacement, or that the term free even needs replacement.
Furthermore, the FSF who originally came up with the idea of "free software" still exists and is still called the Free Software Foundation, though Stallman uses both terms interchangeably.
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Just because the destination IP address is not a LAN address? That's not misconfiguration, that's a legitimate use of NAT reflection/loopback. If that's how it determines who is streaming remotely then just run it behind nginx that forgets to set the correct headers.
Edit: Apparently Plex centrally relays all the traffic? Self-hosted my
, it's not self-hosted if you need to rely on their server.It doesn't relay all traffic, that's a fallback if a connection can't be established.
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- Open source has high immunity to devs making changes at the expense of the user for their benefit because anti-features can be removed. Recommending another proprietary alternative here would be like saying they aught to leave an abusive partner but then recommend someone with the same red flags.
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Worse. Exposing Jellyfin to the internet is a bad idea given the teams stance on security.
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415#issue-824791596The only safe way to host jellyfin is with a vpn.
Lots of those issues have been blown out of proportion, and would never be a real concern for the “just a dude running a server in his closet for his friends” setups. Which, to be clear, is the vast majority of setups.
For instance, virtually all of the worst issues require that the attacker already has a valid login token. So unless they stole your buddy’s credentials, the only one to truly worry about would be your buddy directly. But yes, Jellyfin has some gaping holes, and letting it touch the WAN at all is always a risk. You’re giving attackers a new potential vector of attack that didn’t exist before, so that’s worth noting.
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But I ran into challenges getting my server safely accessible for users outside my LAN
FWIW:
- vps + domain (optional?)
- connect vps to home server with wireguard (eg Tailscale)
- reverse proxy on the VPS forwarding to jellyfin (eg Caddy)
Obviously not as trivial or seamless as Plex. Also I wouldn't try to complicate this setup by using docker for everything. But once its up you can basically host whatever you want on the WAN from your LAN.
So an additional 10 bucks a month….
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I've had that happen to me with plex, it was probably 100% my fault because I specifically changed things during the setup of the docker file, but apparently Plex can't figure out that is local if it's running inside docker with non-host network, it probably only accepts local connections from the docker network, and I was never able to make it treat my actual home network as local.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Under Settings > Network there is a configuration item exactly for this. I'm running host network, but you can add the docker networks here as well.
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Thank you Internet stranger for reminding me of this sketch.
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Its already installed, but missing features, i was waiting for them to finish the db changes, because thats whats blocking them...
what features are you missing?
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I tried testing a movie from my home server in plex through firefox and repeatedly got this message, even after reloading.
I knew that they had paywalled the apps on mobile and streaming from outside the network but now they have also blocked watching your own movies through your own hardware.
I do get the point that making software should be able to sustain people but I dont see the move of plex as a fair thing to do. Yes, they have made great software but taking your home server hostage feels like the wrong move.
Even a pop up that says "we need you to donate please" would have been fine. make it pop up before every movie, play donation ads before any movie but straight up disabling the app is kinda cruel.
Anyway, i have switched to jellyfin and it is insanely good. please give it a try. you can run it alongside plex with not issues (at least i had none) and compare the two.
In any case, good luck. Let me know if you need help.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Access via IP address and not the name. I've been having to do it that way for several days now, too.
Edit to add: It's due to a change I made in my OpnSense setup. I restored a ZFS snapshot and it's working again as it should.
