US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill
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Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.
He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...
I don't think it matters, the EU contains a mutual defense pact as well. Even if NATO fails to respond due to Trump being an Epstein related kiddie diddler, EU members have each other's back. Turkey would be left out in the cold though.
So there's no downside to having the US in NATO. Unless you're Turkey.
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First of all, the country currently forcing my country to cut expenditure in healthcare and to put it into military is the US, not Russia. And the country funding and arming the most flagrant example of genocide in the 21st century is the US.
Second of all, Russia doesn't have geopolitical reasons, nor the military/economic strength, to invade EU countries. And even if it did, the EU has nukes so you don't need further military expenditure as deterrent.
Third, even if you forget all I've said above, the EU can still have a military alliance without the US, and it would be a much better thing.
First of all, the country currently forcing my country to cut expenditure in healthcare and to put it into military is the US, not Russia.
Wrong. There's no requirement for spending as a part of NATO. There's also no requirement for the US to do anything. The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is almost certainly the reason your country, whichever it is, is increasing military spending.
Second of all, Russia doesn't have geopolitical reasons, nor the military/economic strength, to invade EU countries.
They have reasons. Some EU nations are former Soviet states. Just the "restore the former borders of the Soviet union" reason is reason enough, ignoring the resources or anything else. Do they have the strength? Why is that included here. Does it matter? It doesn't have to be smart to happen.
And even if it did, the EU has nukes so you don't need further military expenditure as deterrent.
I don't know what you people who keep bringing up nukes think they're for. You can't use them. Using them will only ensure you lose, because everyone turns against you. They are only useful to deter other nuclear strikes, and also to deter nations from creating a last stand situation where you have already lost so there's nothing to lose in using nukes. You can't win a war with nukes.
Third, even if you forget all I've said above, the EU can still have a military alliance without the US, and it would be a much better thing.
Forget or dispute? You're implying your logic is faultless. Anyway, sure. They can. They don't though. I advocate that they do. I'd love to see the EU with its own defensive force. I don't want them to be reliant on the US, like they currently are. However, that necessarily requires most EU nations to increase their military spending, which you're apparently against. You want magic, not reality. You want all the benefits of military power without any of the costs. Sorry. That can't happen.
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Lol well the Soviets did have to move through Eastern Europe to Berlin to fight the nazi invasion
They also had to drink water when they were thirsty. Both of which are irrelevant to decades of brutal occupation.
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I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.
I got banned from one of the NCD communites (not world, different instance) here for insinuating the US doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO lol
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What's that flag?
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What's that flag?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]SEATO apparently. Did not know that existed
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war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.
The true Rule 34.
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They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.
This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for......
They're also threatening to annex or outright invade long-term allies. You don't want to be in a war where the people you're fighting against are the only ones who can maintain and replace your weapons.
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wow, even after NATO members helped US.
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Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins "man"*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them
- Drumph is NOT a man. He's a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
a man child
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Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.
He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...
NATO is not against russia. It is against certain things that russia does to its neighbours who subscribe to NATO membership.
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If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?
I dont know. maybe to help them get ready or look like he's doing so?
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The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.
Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.
the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]yea Just like how the Afghans kicked expansionist russia out. Afghans are strong people. it is a place where empires go to commit suicide.
Although US got Osama (hiding in Pakistan though).
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Russia is losing against Ukraine, the fuck they gonna do against EU, unless they use nukes in which case who cares, it's game over
yup Russia using nukes anywhere near russia like Ukraine would mean the radiation will spread to russia too. so yes, it is game over.
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Yeah with how effective drones have been in Ukraine (especially in hitting the Russian Navy) I kinda doubt they'll have the capability. I feel like Taiwan is probably developing the capability to mass produce drones right now. They most definitely have the technology. Amphibious invasions are really hard to pull off, and China doesn't have a lot of naval experience. And nobody has ever done it with a thousand drone boats in the water.
And yup, authoritarians do stupid things with their military, we saw that already with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. So the question is, how stupid is Xi Jinping? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think China is not stupid. If anything military wise they'll do against Taiwan, it will be likely to blockade them.
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asdf
methods aside. Tiny UK is pretty impressive actually when you think about it, they "united" so many countries all over the globe across the ocean.
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Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.
Australian democracy vs the CIA round 2
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Just removing the US from another world stage
Soon we will be completely irrelevant
Which is the plan
So fucking hyped for this
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Honestly, NATO might be better off without them
wrote on last edited by [email protected]with the constant threat of trump working with PUTIN, who wants nato in disarray, its a good thing for the EU to divest from the usa.
