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US to withdraw from NATO under Republican bill

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  • A [email protected]

    war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.

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    The true Rule 34.

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    • D [email protected]

      They want out because it’s stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

      This is only happening because Drumpf is meddling with deliveries and contracts. It makes America an unreliable supplier and partner when a contract or agreement means nothing because the orange shiteweasel may change his mind tomorrow, and redirect the arms that you already paid for......

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      They're also threatening to annex or outright invade long-term allies. You don't want to be in a war where the people you're fighting against are the only ones who can maintain and replace your weapons.

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        wow, even after NATO members helped US.

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        • D [email protected]

          Agreed. Drumpf is Pootins "man"*on the inside. Look to him to delay and prevaricate any NATO decision, and generally try to sabotage them

          • Drumph is NOT a man. He's a cowardly little orange shit weasel.
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          a man child

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          • W [email protected]

            Half the military and technology assets that won't ever actually be used to help NATO under Trump.

            He'll veto every action that goes against Russia... Which is what NATO was originally formed to do...

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            NATO is not against russia. It is against certain things that russia does to its neighbours who subscribe to NATO membership.

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            • O [email protected]

              If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

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              I dont know. maybe to help them get ready or look like he's doing so?

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              • A [email protected]

                The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

                Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

                the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

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                #163

                yea Just like how the Afghans kicked expansionist russia out. Afghans are strong people. it is a place where empires go to commit suicide.

                Although US got Osama (hiding in Pakistan though).

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                • K [email protected]

                  Russia is losing against Ukraine, the fuck they gonna do against EU, unless they use nukes in which case who cares, it's game over

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                  yup Russia using nukes anywhere near russia like Ukraine would mean the radiation will spread to russia too. so yes, it is game over.

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                  • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

                    Yeah with how effective drones have been in Ukraine (especially in hitting the Russian Navy) I kinda doubt they'll have the capability. I feel like Taiwan is probably developing the capability to mass produce drones right now. They most definitely have the technology. Amphibious invasions are really hard to pull off, and China doesn't have a lot of naval experience. And nobody has ever done it with a thousand drone boats in the water.

                    And yup, authoritarians do stupid things with their military, we saw that already with Putin's invasion of Ukraine. So the question is, how stupid is Xi Jinping? I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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                    I think China is not stupid. If anything military wise they'll do against Taiwan, it will be likely to blockade them.

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                    • A [email protected]

                      asdf

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                      methods aside. Tiny UK is pretty impressive actually when you think about it, they "united" so many countries all over the globe across the ocean.

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                      • almacca@aussie.zoneA [email protected]

                        Australia really needs to close Pine Gap as well.

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                        Australian democracy vs the CIA round 2

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                        • unclegrandpa@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                          Just removing the US from another world stage

                          Soon we will be completely irrelevant

                          Which is the plan

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                          So fucking hyped for this

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                          • witchfire@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

                            Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

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                            #169

                            with the constant threat of trump working with PUTIN, who wants nato in disarray, its a good thing for the EU to divest from the usa.

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                            • A [email protected]

                              The US is great at spending money in the military, but it absolutely sucks at actual war.

                              Look how they wasted trillions in Afghanistan to surrender to the Taliban.

                              the US military exists solely to funnel tax payer money to military shareholders.

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                              basically like how the russians do it, with bodies, and money, except the usa wastes more money. no strategy, just keep throwing waves of campaign after campaign of wars, plus it also justify have a 800bn budget. tangentially, this is what mr benjamin is doing constant war aggression so he keeps getting aid from the us. Pakistan does it too, just pretend they are doing something about the taliban in thier borders, just to keep getting aid.

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                              • G [email protected]

                                The expense and waste is the point. Winning never was.

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                                it was always to justify the defense budget to go into the pockets of the contractors, the politicians and the lobbyists.

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                                  Australian democracy vs the CIA round 2

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                                  Hopefully we can trust the GG this time!

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                                  • A [email protected]

                                    war is profitable, winning is irrelevant, soldiers lost are replaceable.

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                                    thats why they do these aggressive recruitment propaganda every few years, having a movie like top gun maverick helped alot last year and propaganda like business insider video of military jobs. and yes most of them are aimed at POCs. when obama came into power, recruitment/military was actually downsizing in a peacetime military, but trump reversed it the moment he was in his first time. i was in forums where it was when obama was in charge, it was getting harder and harder to get into the military(people were getting denied left and right for medical and financial and crime reasons that mightve seen consideration during the bush era), then i magically reversed the moment he left office.

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                                    • circav@lemmy.caC [email protected]

                                      Great!! Fuck right off USA!!! Without you idiotic dipshits in NATO the rest of the aligned countries don’t have to listen to your moronic whining to spend $ on US defense weaponry/planes etc. You won’t be missed and piss off. From Canada’s POV we’re really looking forward to spending billions on Saab Gripens - so we can protect ourselves from you.

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                                      watch how they whine, when european decides to close and expel all the bases and military from thier borders, Asian might not do it though because of CHINA, which is a different beast, and issue.

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                                      • G [email protected]

                                        I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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                                        Russians too

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                                        • L [email protected]

                                          methods aside. Tiny UK is pretty impressive actually when you think about it, they "united" so many countries all over the globe across the ocean.

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                                          asdf

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