male voters
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no one could deny it in good faith? They couldn't for 70 years. You are all only now crying about it because you hate democrats. Do you think palestinians suddenly think you are on their side? No. you are all fake. Just like trumps hair, just like trumps make up, fake up from the waist down. "OH NO GENOCIDE! the same one thats been happening for decades I suddenly care about it, now that i hate biden and obama!"
get outta here with your 'concern'
Well, one of us wanted biden to stop selling weapons for the genocide you've done nothing but equivocate in favor of.
I don't know where you're getting the idea that I hate obama.
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I'm fucking trans, stop knee-jerking. I'm absolutely mocking liberalism because they're center right at best and absolutely complicit in the rise of fascism.
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Theres no anti-gay sentiment, they are mocking liberal pinkwashing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]not a dude, but thanks
edit: thanks for the edit
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Understand what? That we're supposed to accept the smears of people like Jeffries and Gilibrand as "endorsements" just because centrists want to maintain the ridiculous fiction that party leadership doesn't work against progressives?
I only saw your comment because I signed in after the page loaded.
So I'll go ahead and answer your question:
That the people currently smearing Mamdaninarent "the party" they're the ones whose wing just got the boot from the DNC. That's why they created project 29, they're desperate for Dems to focus on something they control, and they don't control the DNC anymore.
The way the DNC (the party) is structured, is the Chair has 100% control and zero accountability.
In February Ken Martin was seated chair.
Here's what "the party" is saying about Mamdani:
Amna Nawaz:
What do you take away from Zohran Mamdani's New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?
Ken Martin:
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there's a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can't just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There's no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we're for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that's really critical. And I think that's one of the lessons from Mamdani's campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that's one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they're at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There's a lot to learn from that campaign, and I'm excited to learn more.
For now at least, the party is back on the side of the people.
And that's not even getting into the other stuff he's doing. You won't hear it on MSM, because MSM is owned by billionaires. They'd rather have a third trump term than a progressive.
Don't fall for their propaganda that today's DNC has anything to do with the DNC from 2024 and earlier.
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Theres no anti-gay sentiment, they are mocking liberal pinkwashing.
The people: Can we have some help?
Republicans: No.
Democrats: No. #blm #lgbt
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If you want to win when the economy is in recession, you have to make up the difference. FDR didnt get elected on "do nothing and hope the economy deigns to bless the people with jobs"
Which Republicans know, which is why they block everything every Democrat tries to do. Biden tried numerous things which were halted by our broken Senate
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Which Republicans know, which is why they block everything every Democrat tries to do. Biden tried numerous things which were halted by our broken Senate
Convenient excuse. If dems genuinely wanted these things, they could include it in bills that can't be filibustered, use executive orders or just help people and let the SCOTUS complain about it later.
We know they know how, because we see both republicans and dems do it, but only to make things worse for us or make sure Israel keeps getting bombs when congress is broken.
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I mean, you've spent this entire conversation conveniently ignoring the actions of the democratic party against progressives.
Which had zero impact since Bernie lost by millions both times.
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It's time to reform the government.
Edit: and people need to seriously consider what that looks like. Especially once the smoke clears
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even worse, they're all conservative consultants.
Nervous Lincoln Project noises
Seriously, what kind of absolute schlubs turn to Ted Cruz's campaign manager to win liberal votes?
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Dems don't want to win every election because that would break the scam.
Send in the republicans to loot our money and then send in the dems to fix everything up enough to where they can loot again.
I keep saying this but it feels like the Dems are a Russia-style controlled opposition party.
Doesn't mean 100% of them are garbage, but the leadership sure does seem like it hates the idea of successful opposition
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What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss?
Stop. Ratfucking. Progressives.
Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
As opposed to not holding primaries and picking a surefire loser like they did last year?
They need to stop fucking over progressives
But also 24 was stolen
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You know, if you're holding a big GOTV drive in Houston and you want to bring their home town girl in to sing a few bars as part of a state convention or mobilizing event, I wouldn't begrudge them that.
But Beyonce showed up at a big Harris event and didn't perform any music. Literally paid to wave at the crowd and not do the thing for which you're famous.
Lmao wut? Wasn't the campaign manager literally just someone's brother, that would explain so much
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It's time to reform the government.
Edit: and people need to seriously consider what that looks like. Especially once the smoke clears
Changing the voting system is the first step.
A lot of smart people have looked at this problem. With years of study, lots of math, and some real world testing, the best option for a replacement is STAR.
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they'd rather see the corporate candidate lose than the popular candidate win
"They" as in like 30-40 Million People?
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Changing the voting system is the first step.
A lot of smart people have looked at this problem. With years of study, lots of math, and some real world testing, the best option for a replacement is STAR.
This right here. Get rid of the electoral college and make all voting mandatory STAR voting is a great start.
We also need to somehow end the legalized bribery and get money out of politics, to ensure those elected work for US, not the donor class. And we sure as hell shouldn’t be letting foreign governments buy and control our politicians (AIPAC, saudis, looking at you especially).
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What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie's primary loss? Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
My dude.
Kamala wasn't chosen through a primary.
Did you forget that?The Dems are already acting as rediculous as you think they shouldn't be.
And they have been for a long time. At least since Bernie.
Everyone in the US memory holed the DNC trial where they went to court and defended their right to pick whoever the fuck they wanted for a candidate over holding primaries.
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.
DNCÂ attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate.
“In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,”
So the DNC has learned nothing and already is as stupid as you think they shouldn't be.
Here's what the DNC should do:
Support who their voters think is popular, not their corporate financers.All this bullshit could have been avoided if they did that with Bernie the first time. They learned nothing then did it again with Biden/ Kamala a second time. Now they're doing it again with Mamdani for a third.
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My dude.
Kamala wasn't chosen through a primary.
Did you forget that?The Dems are already acting as rediculous as you think they shouldn't be.
And they have been for a long time. At least since Bernie.
Everyone in the US memory holed the DNC trial where they went to court and defended their right to pick whoever the fuck they wanted for a candidate over holding primaries.
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.
DNCÂ attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate.
“In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,”
So the DNC has learned nothing and already is as stupid as you think they shouldn't be.
Here's what the DNC should do:
Support who their voters think is popular, not their corporate financers.All this bullshit could have been avoided if they did that with Bernie the first time. They learned nothing then did it again with Biden/ Kamala a second time. Now they're doing it again with Mamdani for a third.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, she wasn't, Joseph Biden was. He won some states completely unopposed, because you'd be insane to challenge an incumbent. Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
And yeah, Shultz liked his own party better than the third party participating on his ticket, and that might have had some negligible impact on the 3 Million more votes that Clinton received than Bernie.
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Right ...
So what about the elected Democrats who said Romenys plan had to become more conservative for them to vote for it?
Everyone on the correct side has a D by their name, you seem to get that...
You just don't understand that everyone with a D by their isn't on the correct side
Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square
I hope that got thru to you, but I'll never know
did the democrats campaign promise include banning all muslims?
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No, she wasn't, Joseph Biden was. He won some states completely unopposed, because you'd be insane to challenge an incumbent. Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
And yeah, Shultz liked his own party better than the third party participating on his ticket, and that might have had some negligible impact on the 3 Million more votes that Clinton received than Bernie.
Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
I would have preffered the DNC dropped Joe with enough time to run a primary that DNC voters could have picked a candidate from. Especially given that he had cancer and likely knew about it during the election.
Instead, he dropped out way too late.
Because the DNC thought someone with ass cancer would look strong in a debate against a drugged up Trump.
Then they panicked when ass cancer grandpa failed the easiest debate in the history of presidential debates and then wasn't polling as the "strong incumbent" you were made to believe he was.
The DNC waited too long to realise Biden wouldn't win against billions of disinformation spending, and all they had to do was hold another primary to elect a new candidate to win.
Instead they waited too long - switched to Kamala too late - and then completely ran out of time.
Just like they took too long to persecute Trump.
Too long to expand the court.
Too long to codify Roe vs Wade.
Too long for Democracy to be protected in a meaningful way.And certainly too long to realize the young male supporters of Bernie have been going to Trump for decades now because the DNC labeled their very reasonable concerns as just dumb "Bernie Bros" BS instead of "the only voting base that can win American elections."
I wasn't exaggerating in my original post, Bernie would have won against Trump by +10 on average according to every general poll conducted before the DNC primary, even by Fox News.
Here are all those polls collected, I'll bet it's the first time you've ever seen them:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-sanders
Instead the DNC thought Hillary would still be good enough. And they still haven't learned why that was a mistake when they thought Biden would be too.
Bernie would have unquestionably won against Trump. Period full stop. You should be furious the DNC made you think Hillary was better when she statistically wasn't, just like you should be mad at the DNC for making someone with cancer debate a criminal.
You aren't holding the DNC accountable for shitting the bed ever, so they keep doing it, now to the cost of our Democracy. They literally prefered a Trump president over actual progressive policies, so that's what we have, and always will with the current DNC.
