Florida's plan to replace migrant workers with children falls apart
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Republican state Senator Jay Collins, the bill's sponsor, said the measure was about parental rights: "We should let them say what's best for their kids at 16- to 17-year-olds, that's what we're saying by this."
Anyone who puts forth a measure aimed at "parental rights", it's always something that's aimed at parents' right to treat their children like property
Funny how you never hear them say “parental responsibilities.”
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So let me get this straight. The US needs Migrants so much that we're needing to replace them with teenagers?
Whoa whoa whoa, teenager is already a bit old and commands more hourly
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So let me get this straight. The US needs Migrants so much that we're needing to replace them with teenagers?
I mean, that's one way to look at it.
The more accurate way to look at is that the American right hates migrants and people of color so much that they would force their children into hard labor just to make sure nobody who sounds or looks different receives any kind of benefit.
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The bill would have permitted 16- and 17-year-olds to work overnight on school days and work longer than an eight-hour day before a school day. Some 14- and 15-year-olds would also have been allowed to work those hours.
This is a horrifying concept and a great way to keep kids uneducated so they keep voting for lying repubs when they get older.
Governor Ron DeSantis said during a panel discussion in March: "Why do we say we need to import foreigners, even import them illegally, when, you know, teenagers used to work at these resorts, college students should be able to do this stuff? … What's wrong with expecting our young people to be working part-time now? I mean, that's how it used to be when I was growing up."
They also used to work in factories where they'd get maimed and other high-risk environments. Shall we bring that back too, Governor Dipshit Fascist? Seriously, get fucked.
wrote last edited by [email protected]They are framing it like plucky shirtless college boys might wanna go pick cucumbers for a weekend to make a few bucks for rootbeer floats down at the soda-fountain.
One of the things that infuriates me about our species broadly is how terrible people are at visualizing actual, real systems and their scope and scale.
If you don't know anything about the factory-farming our society requires to survive, you should probably take a short tour of the massive machine we've built and depend on so you understand the scale of the problem and why even the immigrants we have/had now aren't even enough to keep the system running. This is why aging populations are a huge problem, this is a foundational cornerstone of our whole civilization, much like medicine and vaccines, and it's being waved off like something we can just swap out demographics for funsies and to give bro's trying to afford their new baseball mitts and textbooks, all good, right??
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lol do American politicians seriously try to frame child labor laws as taking away parents rights?
wrote last edited by [email protected]part of the conservative ideology is that children are property and should be molested, not heard.
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Capitalist rule: If you can't exploit people, just find people who are more exploitable.
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what's the news here? They are basically using the same arguments the US used to not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child. Minors being the parents property is still an almost uncontroversial position in the US even if people don't phrase it like that.
The news is that USA is still a disgusting labor camp. Always has been.
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Good thing the north left a loophole in the constitution after the civil war just for a situation like this.
Some things never change.
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I mean, that's one way to look at it.
The more accurate way to look at is that the American right hates migrants and people of color so much that they would force their children into hard labor just to make sure nobody who sounds or looks different receives any kind of benefit.
wrote last edited by [email protected]the American right hates migrants and people of color so much that they would force
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I can't wait to be out of Florida
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So let me get this straight. The US needs Migrants so much that we're needing to replace them with teenagers?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, if we remove our migrant population then we literally lose the majority of our food production workers. I think it'll also impact our construction work force, much of our factory workforce, our waitstaff, and various other jobs US citizens turn their noses up at - because those jobs literally would not sustain them and would destroy their bodies over time. Most of these jobs are sustained entirely by the desperation of immigrants trying to escape their prior circumstances.
Edit- added more detail in bold to make it clearer the the issue lies in how these jobs are conducted rather than being with US citizens.
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I mean, that's one way to look at it.
The more accurate way to look at is that the American right hates migrants and people of color so much that they would force their children into hard labor just to make sure nobody who sounds or looks different receives any kind of benefit.
Not their children.... other peoples children. You know... the poors... those kids can work long hours for low pay and since they are poor, they will be stupid enough to be happy about it. The people voting for this do not need to worry about it affecting their kids... or think they dont....
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lol do American politicians seriously try to frame child labor laws as taking away parents rights?
Of course! Especially those from the party that wants crops to be picked, but doesn't want anyone who would actually do it to exist or survive in our country. And because the term "child labor" in general is unpalatable to most people. For good reason...
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Yes, if we remove our migrant population then we literally lose the majority of our food production workers. I think it'll also impact our construction work force, much of our factory workforce, our waitstaff, and various other jobs US citizens turn their noses up at - because those jobs literally would not sustain them and would destroy their bodies over time. Most of these jobs are sustained entirely by the desperation of immigrants trying to escape their prior circumstances.
Edit- added more detail in bold to make it clearer the the issue lies in how these jobs are conducted rather than being with US citizens.
jobs US citizens turn their noses up at
Jobs that typically don't pay enough for the cost to your body, health, and mental sanity. The overlords love the illegal immigrant stuff because it lets them put the thumbscrews to the workers, both in terms of downward pressure to the wages paid out, and in terms of desperation so the people without other options are forced to work in horrible conditions for terrible pay.
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jobs US citizens turn their noses up at
Jobs that typically don't pay enough for the cost to your body, health, and mental sanity. The overlords love the illegal immigrant stuff because it lets them put the thumbscrews to the workers, both in terms of downward pressure to the wages paid out, and in terms of desperation so the people without other options are forced to work in horrible conditions for terrible pay.
That's a fair critique, I made it sound more like US citizens are snobby for rejecting underpaid, dangerous jobs when in reality the US's base infrastructure still entirely relies on a form of slave labor to persist. I should've been more nuanced with my description.
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The teenage babysitters I know demand a higher hourly rate than Target workers in my locale (at about $18/hr). I don't think the farmers are ready to pay that for young people who are not work hardened and can't keep their phones out of their hands for longer than 5 minutes. It is not like they will starve if they don't pick enough. After all, their parents will be there, helicoptering, handing them bottles of lifewater and snacks and uploading pics and vids on their phones on their social media accounts.
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The teenage babysitters I know demand a higher hourly rate than Target workers in my locale (at about $18/hr). I don't think the farmers are ready to pay that for young people who are not work hardened and can't keep their phones out of their hands for longer than 5 minutes. It is not like they will starve if they don't pick enough. After all, their parents will be there, helicoptering, handing them bottles of lifewater and snacks and uploading pics and vids on their phones on their social media accounts.
Why don't you go work in the field? We need all the top shots out there, get on it buddy.
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I mean, that’s how it used to be when I was growing up.
The fact that "how it used to be" in your childhood produced a scumbag like you is a compelling argument to not let people's childhoods be like that anymore.
I mean, that’s how it used to be when I was growing up.
Also, this is complete and utter bullshit. I'm older than Ron boy, and child labor laws predate me. The folks picking crops in the fields in the 80's and 90's were the same immigrants that are (or were, I guess) doing it today. And anyone who attended Yale almost certainly wasn't out picking crops as a kid. Like most members of the GOP, he has zero attachment to reality.
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There's I think a dollop on the brassero program that details a past program where they'd ship high schoolers to farms for the summer in an attempt to reduce migratory workers. The program failed immediately. Conservatives are insane in the literal definition of the word.
I haven't listened to the dollop in a minute but I'm pretty sure that same episode is literally about the first wave of illegal immigration propaganda in the US, talks about how the borders changed in the 1930s.
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I can't wait to be out of Florida
Best decision I ever made
