They've got a point!
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Waving your hands and saying "woke is not an insult" will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.
yup. but it also takes away their power when they're like "you're woke!" and you're like "oh, you really think so? that's wonderful"
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Yeah seriously I'll never understand how it's an insult. Conservatives call having empathy "woke" and I'm like "yes, yes it is woke. Your point?".
it's basically everything you need to know about them
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yup. but it also takes away their power when they're like "you're woke!" and you're like "oh, you really think so? that's wonderful"
yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it's probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.
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yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it's probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.
no for sure. it's a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it's a good thing to be
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This is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.Or, I understand that there's no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you're ok with oppression, you're not a neutral observer, you're a supporter of oppression.
If you're ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you're neutral.
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Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds
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no for sure. it's a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it's a good thing to be
wrote last edited by [email protected]I feel like there's a pretty big set of center-to-left people for whom the positive notion of wokeness is spoiled by particularly egregious behaviour of, say, "woke Twitter." (for instance, I suspect many are eager to move on from "mansplain." And let's not forget people bullying Lindsay Ellis for comparing Raya and the Last Dragon to Avatar; that was fucked up.)
If we can deftly arrange for "woke" to redirect to that kind of peripheral stuff, and extract the important stuff -- protections for minorities, diversity and inclusion, etc. -- under some new label, then yeah I'm content to leave "woke" in the past.
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The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what's going on. It's crazy people say they aren't woke and think that's like a good thing lol.
It's like saying "I'm a fucking idiot" and being smug about it
wrote last edited by [email protected]To be fair, "woke" as it's widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to "redpilled", with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as 'enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren't'. It's "woke" as in alert and aware of the truth, and "redpilled" similarly to how it is in the Matrixābecoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to whatās going on. Itās crazy people say they arenāt redpilled and think thatās like a good thing lol. Itās like saying āIām a fucking idiotā and being smug about it
You wouldn't agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentimentāthe only difference is in what the content of said 'higher truth' that one who's woke/redpilled has become 'enlightened' to, is.
It's the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don't call themselves "anti-abortion", but "pro-life". Like the above, it's a PR move. Would you accept a 'pro-lifer' telling you you're "anti-life" if you oppose their view? That's the kind of rhetorical maneuver you're employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that "woke" representsāit hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, "it's crazy people say they're against healthcare being a human right and think that's like a good thing lol", than what I quoted above.
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english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms
Yes, but sometimes they use them too much.
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If you're not woke your eyes are closed
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke
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So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels
The word Nazi was weaponised then overused against people who where not in fact Nazis. And now it no longer means anything. Congratulations you played yourself.
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english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms
Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how "that's shit" = bad but "that's the shit" = good
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Or, I understand that there's no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you're ok with oppression, you're not a neutral observer, you're a supporter of oppression.
If you're ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you're neutral.
Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers. It's common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
Many self described woke people are in fact ignorant fucking twats. One political outlook does not make u not an ignorant twat. You can be both. U can be neither. This is a false dichotomy. And ur attempt to put people in one of 2 boxes without acknowledging any sort of nuance around it clearly indicates the box you fall into.
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Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.
That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers. It's common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
I'm not talking about flame wars, I'm talking about real world shit. You know, the shit that's actually behind the behaviors they call 'woke' to try to get people to stop doing.
The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating
Yep, and they use the 'woke' shit to make people be ok with worsening conditions because wanting to be treated like a real person is 'woke'
That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers
People push the 'woke' shit because it's a thought terminating cliche that allows ignorant twats to not think about why they're actually being awful to people or supporting people destroying innocent peoples' lives
Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
What? They push the 'woke narrative' bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don't have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
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To be fair, "woke" as it's widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to "redpilled", with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as 'enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren't'. It's "woke" as in alert and aware of the truth, and "redpilled" similarly to how it is in the Matrixābecoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.
So, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:
The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to whatās going on. Itās crazy people say they arenāt redpilled and think thatās like a good thing lol. Itās like saying āIām a fucking idiotā and being smug about it
You wouldn't agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentimentāthe only difference is in what the content of said 'higher truth' that one who's woke/redpilled has become 'enlightened' to, is.
It's the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don't call themselves "anti-abortion", but "pro-life". Like the above, it's a PR move. Would you accept a 'pro-lifer' telling you you're "anti-life" if you oppose their view? That's the kind of rhetorical maneuver you're employing in your comment.
My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that "woke" representsāit hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, "it's crazy people say they're against healthcare being a human right and think that's like a good thing lol", than what I quoted above.
a few problems with this comment:
- woke is net a left wing counterpart to "redpilled" it's a term at least 160 years old
- anyone who claims to be woke is instantly not woke. you have to earn being called woke by an oppressed person. you can claim to be conscious to aspects of this system of oppression, but you cannot claim to be woke or conscious without instantly demonstrating yourself to be a performative ally
- your issue is not with whether or not being woke is good, your issue is with whether or not claiming to be woke is good, in which case, see point 2
- conservatives use redpilled wrong just like they use woke wrong. they just generally use any terms of consciousness wrong because fascism is a scam that promises progressive benefits through status quo, an obvious logical fallacy
your issue isn't with "woke" your issue is with how conservatives use the word woke, literally the point of the OP
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Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.
I'm not talking about flame wars, I'm talking about real world shit. You know, the shit that's actually behind the behaviors they call 'woke' to try to get people to stop doing.
The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating
Yep, and they use the 'woke' shit to make people be ok with worsening conditions because wanting to be treated like a real person is 'woke'
That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers
People push the 'woke' shit because it's a thought terminating cliche that allows ignorant twats to not think about why they're actually being awful to people or supporting people destroying innocent peoples' lives
Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?
What? They push the 'woke narrative' bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don't have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
What? They push the woke bullshit, or actively support the oppressors. If anything, they take the neutral position so they don't have to justify supporting oppression when they can pretend to be neutral.
i was gonna say something to this effect. big tech firms aren't pushing woke anything. they're the most anti-woke shit out there. they want us isolated and divided so we never learn our true power as a populace. if this poster keeps drilling down this insane "woke people are just as ignorant as fascists" bullshit i'm going to block them because their entire argument hinges on assuming white usage of a Black term is correct when it is overtly and intentionally incorrect.
but what else would i expect from a
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Many self described woke people are in fact ignorant fucking twats. One political outlook does not make u not an ignorant twat. You can be both. U can be neither. This is a false dichotomy. And ur attempt to put people in one of 2 boxes without acknowledging any sort of nuance around it clearly indicates the box you fall into.
any person claiming to be woke is instantly not woke because that's not how the term works
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Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how "that's shit" = bad but "that's the shit" = good
That's quite the example.
