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  • skulblaka@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

    It's been Xitter (pronounced "Shitter") since the rebranding

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    I will deadname that shit till the day I die! Or not, I honestly can't be bothered to give a flying fuck, truth be told ..

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      The point isn't to take sides with the sheep, it's about self-awareness. Recognizing that hating ignorant people is just a different form of ignorance. We're all burdened by or own ignorance even if we don't know it.

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      I don't hate them for their ignorance. I would actually stop short of saying I hate them at all. But the deep disdain I feel for them is for the hellscape they have dragged all of us into, and which will take decades to fix, if we fix it at all.

      So yeah, I'm probably burdened by being ignorant of how that makes me just as bad as they are.

      Considering I'll die of old age still being harmed by what they have empowered and are currently cheering for, and will also die knowing my kids' lives and the lives of everyone I care about will be worse because of it, I'm ok with that.

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        Saying a person is woke is like saying they are not a mindless sheep going through life asleep at the wheel.

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        Yeah seriously I'll never understand how it's an insult. Conservatives call having empathy "woke" and I'm like "yes, yes it is woke. Your point?".

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          Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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          Waving your hands and saying "woke is not an insult" will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.

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          • tiger_man_@lemmy.blahaj.zoneT [email protected]

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            I'm just impressed they used 'couldn't care less' correctly.

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              I'm just impressed they used 'couldn't care less' correctly.

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              english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms

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                Waving your hands and saying "woke is not an insult" will not stop it from being used as an insult. But we can counter by using MAGA as an insult.

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                yup. but it also takes away their power when they're like "you're woke!" and you're like "oh, you really think so? that's wonderful"

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                  Yeah seriously I'll never understand how it's an insult. Conservatives call having empathy "woke" and I'm like "yes, yes it is woke. Your point?".

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                  it's basically everything you need to know about them

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                  • quill7513@slrpnk.netQ [email protected]

                    yup. but it also takes away their power when they're like "you're woke!" and you're like "oh, you really think so? that's wonderful"

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                    yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it's probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.

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                      yeah if you can pull it off but tbh it's probably not going to go as well as you might picture it in your head.

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                      no for sure. it's a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it's a good thing to be

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                        šŸ‘†ThisšŸ‘† is how they view the entire non-hegemonic wprld. They admit it.

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                        Or, I understand that there's no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you're ok with oppression, you're not a neutral observer, you're a supporter of oppression.

                        If you're ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you're neutral.

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                        • tiger_man_@lemmy.blahaj.zoneT [email protected]

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                          Whoa, fuck yeah Linus Torvalds

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                            no for sure. it's a two prong attack of counterpropaganda. the first is responding immediately by saying MAGA or MAGAt like its a hateful term (easy, it is) but the other prong is within our own circles reminding ourselves that woke folk get shit done and it's a good thing to be

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                            I feel like there's a pretty big set of center-to-left people for whom the positive notion of wokeness is spoiled by particularly egregious behaviour of, say, "woke Twitter." (for instance, I suspect many are eager to move on from "mansplain." And let's not forget people bullying Lindsay Ellis for comparing Raya and the Last Dragon to Avatar; that was fucked up.)

                            If we can deftly arrange for "woke" to redirect to that kind of peripheral stuff, and extract the important stuff -- protections for minorities, diversity and inclusion, etc. -- under some new label, then yeah I'm content to leave "woke" in the past.

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                              The opposite of being woke is being asleep and oblivious to what's going on. It's crazy people say they aren't woke and think that's like a good thing lol.

                              It's like saying "I'm a fucking idiot" and being smug about it

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                              To be fair, "woke" as it's widely known today originated as basically the left-wing counterpart to "redpilled", with both just being two different words used by different groups of people to favorably describe themselves as 'enlightened/privy to the real truth that most others aren't'. It's "woke" as in alert and aware of the truth, and "redpilled" similarly to how it is in the Matrix—becoming aware of the actual reality of things, taking the blinders off. Fundamentally, describing the exact same state of being.

                              So, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you read someone having written:

                              The opposite of being redpilled is being oblivious to what’s going on. It’s crazy people say they aren’t redpilled and think that’s like a good thing lol. It’s like saying ā€œI’m a fucking idiotā€ and being smug about it

                              You wouldn't agree with them, even though the above is the exact same sentiment—the only difference is in what the content of said 'higher truth' that one who's woke/redpilled has become 'enlightened' to, is.

                              It's the exact same reason the demographic of people who are against abortion in the US don't call themselves "anti-abortion", but "pro-life". Like the above, it's a PR move. Would you accept a 'pro-lifer' telling you you're "anti-life" if you oppose their view? That's the kind of rhetorical maneuver you're employing in your comment.

                              My point is, the self-labeled descriptor is not important, and all sides will obviously use a descriptor that sounds good and makes them sound favorable to describe themselves, so focusing on it is pointless, and just comes off as arrogance. Focus instead on the actual things that "woke" represents—it hits much harder imo to read something like, for example, "it's crazy people say they're against healthcare being a human right and think that's like a good thing lol", than what I quoted above.

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                              • quill7513@slrpnk.netQ [email protected]

                                english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms

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                                Yes, but sometimes they use them too much.

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                                  Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                                  If you're not woke your eyes are closed

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                                    Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.

                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#20th_century

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                                    Just saw the recent south park episode- absolutely killed. Poor Cartman is nothing withoutout the woke 😢

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                                      So conservatives version of this is their deweaponization of the word nazi? Fuck this timeline.

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                                      "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

                                      The word Nazi was weaponised then overused against people who where not in fact Nazis. And now it no longer means anything. Congratulations you played yourself.

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                                        english as a second language tend to be more careful with their usage of idioms

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                                        Man, fuck english idioms. Will never get over how "that's shit" = bad but "that's the shit" = good

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                                          Or, I understand that there's no neutral position when the options are freedom or oppression. If you're ok with oppression, you're not a neutral observer, you're a supporter of oppression.

                                          If you're ok with it, at least have the stones to admit it instead of pretending you're neutral.

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                                          Doesn't really apply to a flame war tho.

                                          The right know they can't win the economic argument. Everyone's purchasing power is going down and living standards are stagnating.

                                          That's why they push the 'woke' stuff and divide the workers. It's common sense. Why else would right-wing platforms like Google,Facebook,Newscorp be plastered with this "no neutral! You have to pick a side!" shite?

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