"log in" and "sign up" buttons
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i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call.
I get your frustration, but that's a fucking awful choice for a whole bunch of reasons, not only because of Microsoft's bullshit. You really buried the lede.
Don't share accounts people!
Have them forward you the meeting invite or reach out to the organizer to call you instead.
And if you fucking insist on logging into someone else's account again, use Private Browsing mode and the web client of Teams to keep it from touching the rest of the machine. It works fine for audio and video calls.
At any place with a half decent security policy you'd be looking at disciplinary action. At certain workplaces this would be an immediate firing.
it was a work account used exclusively for teams for online lectures, there was nothing of interest on it, i checked lol, i'm nosy
it was during a time when i was just substituting so i didn't have my own work email, and i ain't joining with my personal one when i need to be professional. after the bullshit with that account getting linked to my local system account i indeed used teams in the browser, i just didn't anticipate microsoft bullshit vol. 2 to hit me months later when i tried to log into my minecraft account and couldn't because my coworkers email got baked into it! but now i know i guess
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
it wasn't my idea, it was the only option prodivded to me. i didn't have a work email there yet as i just started working, and it's work with children - seeing their teachers name pop up and then someone introducting themselves as a substitute is fine, but seeing some guy join in with a random email and name you never heard of would be alarming to the parents
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This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
well yeah now i know that, the maddening part is that with any other platform what i tried doing at first wouldn't be an issue, log in, do the thing, log out, never think of it again. but nooooo, microsoft has to be special
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pay pal's website asks if I want to verify through text, then freaks when it discovers that it is not a phone app, but instead a webpage on a browser with no SMS functionality to ask permissions for
I always get an e-mail with the TOTP code when I want to log in.
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They're making their site inconvenient so you'll download their app. Every fucking website and product has an app now.
This is it. I attempted to order some pizzas from Pizza Hut on their website because they had a deal going on. I remember their website being pretty good like 10 years ago, but now it was such a buggy mess it literally wouldn't let me order a pizza. I would go through the system up to the point where it says "add to order" and it would just glitch out and make me start over. I then switched to my PC because I figured it would be easier and the exact same thing happened. I ended up getting frustrated and ordering pizza somewhere else because their website was so shit. I am sure their app would have worked fine but I am not installing 500 apps for every shitty chain restaurant I go to.
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well yeah now i know that, the maddening part is that with any other platform what i tried doing at first wouldn't be an issue, log in, do the thing, log out, never think of it again. but nooooo, microsoft has to be special
Yep. One of the many reasons why this lifelong Windows user is not going to 11.
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- Change your profile picture to a clippy
- Check out the small web
- Check out geminispace and gopherspace
Can you link to these? Always looking for alternatives.
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
wrote last edited by [email protected]you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
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Sorry to not give a personal answer as I am struggling to write something right now, but the following source is well known within the community of those who like these kind of things.
Gopher, The Competing Standard To WWW In The ’90s Is Still Worth Checking Out
This is what I found too after specifying gopher protocol and not gopher the animal. It's a pretty good write-up.
I am definitely going to check out some gopher sites to see what this is all about.
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Fair enough. I just consider it quicker wikipedia, especially for very simple lookups. For what it's worth, I googled "gopher", which, shockingly, showed me pictures of gopher. "Gopher network" showed me an online network dedicated to gophers. XD
I 100% get the AI hate, but it did explain it to me, pointed me to a browser, which I installed, and now I'm on Gemini, so I learned something and gemini got a new user.
If you search DuckDuckGo for “gopher alternative web”, the very first few hits are about the gemini protocol, relevant wikipedia links, and an article to small internet hypertext movements.
AI already rot your brain, you can't identify the three basic keywords, from the original comment, that will lead you to a sensible web search. Of course, if you just search “gopher” most things will be about the animal that it is named after. However, even if you just search gopher, DDG still sneaks a result to the wikipedia disambiguation page. Where you'd learn that gopher is also the name of a species of turtle, a french last name, a biblical character, and an US university's sport teams. I wonder which of those has anything to do with web development? It's not hard, just use your brain and stop delegating your every thought to LLMs.
Also, it is extremely rude to interject in a human conversation with AI.
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I've never seen someone defend Microsoft's stupid decisionmaking so hard.
For fucks sake. Where did I do anything to defend this shit?
I said I understood the guy's frustration, called out a bad choice, and offered alternatives.
Then I explained that I did that, and offered more alternative solutions to work around the issue.
How the fuck do you see that much work to keep identities separate and get "I
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you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
Usually "you might have to adapt this shit to your personal situation" is implied.
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This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
I ended up using chrome and a bunch of profiles. My taskbar has now five different chrome icons, each with a different profile, all to keep the different systems and logins for the different clients separate.
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Can you link to these? Always looking for alternatives.
wrote last edited by [email protected]- https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ
- Small web needs to be found. Try looking around Neocities to start off.
- For Gemini and Gopher, you need a special browser. This is the one I prefer: https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/
- Here's a link aggregator: gemini://gemini.smallweb.space/antenna/
- And here's a list of capsules I find interesting (needs updating): gemini://hashnix.club/users/dce/pages.gmi
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Could be that the priority is to get more sign ups or that once signed in, customers typically stay signed in
wrote last edited by [email protected]I’m guessing it’s business that are optimizing for number of signups instead of returning users. Which is short sighted and stupid.
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Too bad I don't give a shit. I'm not downloading an app just so i can pay my water bill
An app is the only formal written communication method I have with my apartment complex. And it's a shit app. I sent my 60 days move out notice to "management" on their app and the message went and sat in someone's inbox who no longer works there. Just give me a damn team email or something. Luckily that screw up was their fault and didn't impact my move out.
