"log in" and "sign up" buttons
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I'm familiar, and I said nothing about any of that other than that I understood the frustration.
That's also not the situation of the person I replied to. They thought the correct way to sub for someone in a meeting was to share credentials and log in as the other person.
I was calling out that absymally bad idea, and providing a work around.
To your point, you also shouldn't be mixing use cases of your devices. You don't want to end up in some legal shit, or in a data exfiltration investigation.
My personal desktop (and personal laptop when I still used one besides my work one) was a local account, signed into my personal Microsoft account via the browser. That could also work directly signed into the personal account instead of using a local account.
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM. I even spin up a light VM to just open a VPN session so I can remote into work resources. If I had multiple gigs, I'd make separate VMs for them. Personal Microsoft account never fucking touches these.
For elevated access accounts for work: separate browser, separate browser profile, or private browsing mode. Most admin work in Entra is through web portals (or Powershell).
I still can end up with minor issues from stuff like needing to use my admin Entra/Azure account to log into the Microsoft Graph Powershell module, so I end up with two entries in the Entra logon page on the work devices sometimes, but I just select the correct account if I get prompted. If it doesn't, logout of that specific system/program and select the correct account (which I'm logged into the work machine as). Loss of a few seconds, not this massive issue.
wrote last edited by [email protected]you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
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Sorry to not give a personal answer as I am struggling to write something right now, but the following source is well known within the community of those who like these kind of things.
Gopher, The Competing Standard To WWW In The ’90s Is Still Worth Checking Out
This is what I found too after specifying gopher protocol and not gopher the animal. It's a pretty good write-up.
I am definitely going to check out some gopher sites to see what this is all about.
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Fair enough. I just consider it quicker wikipedia, especially for very simple lookups. For what it's worth, I googled "gopher", which, shockingly, showed me pictures of gopher. "Gopher network" showed me an online network dedicated to gophers. XD
I 100% get the AI hate, but it did explain it to me, pointed me to a browser, which I installed, and now I'm on Gemini, so I learned something and gemini got a new user.
If you search DuckDuckGo for “gopher alternative web”, the very first few hits are about the gemini protocol, relevant wikipedia links, and an article to small internet hypertext movements.
AI already rot your brain, you can't identify the three basic keywords, from the original comment, that will lead you to a sensible web search. Of course, if you just search “gopher” most things will be about the animal that it is named after. However, even if you just search gopher, DDG still sneaks a result to the wikipedia disambiguation page. Where you'd learn that gopher is also the name of a species of turtle, a french last name, a biblical character, and an US university's sport teams. I wonder which of those has anything to do with web development? It's not hard, just use your brain and stop delegating your every thought to LLMs.
Also, it is extremely rude to interject in a human conversation with AI.
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I've never seen someone defend Microsoft's stupid decisionmaking so hard.
For fucks sake. Where did I do anything to defend this shit?
I said I understood the guy's frustration, called out a bad choice, and offered alternatives.
Then I explained that I did that, and offered more alternative solutions to work around the issue.
How the fuck do you see that much work to keep identities separate and get "I
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you also shouldn’t be mixing use cases of your devices
All work stuff stays on work provided hardware, or on a VM.
Are you, like, new to the concept of real life?
Those are laudable idealist propositions. That not even high security global corporations always follow to a tee. Some places refuse to provide hardware, demand work account stuff configured in personal devices, and still go out of their way to ban VMs and VPNs. Sometimes you are lucky if the intranet has a reverse proxy.
Usually "you might have to adapt this shit to your personal situation" is implied.
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This is is why you should use incognito/InPrivate mode when using Microsoft sites. It will always give the full login prompt.
The real frustrating thing is when you have a personal account and a work account under the same email address... Separating those two is a massive pain.
I ended up using chrome and a bunch of profiles. My taskbar has now five different chrome icons, each with a different profile, all to keep the different systems and logins for the different clients separate.
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Can you link to these? Always looking for alternatives.
wrote last edited by [email protected]- https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ
- Small web needs to be found. Try looking around Neocities to start off.
- For Gemini and Gopher, you need a special browser. This is the one I prefer: https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/
- Here's a link aggregator: gemini://gemini.smallweb.space/antenna/
- And here's a list of capsules I find interesting (needs updating): gemini://hashnix.club/users/dce/pages.gmi
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Could be that the priority is to get more sign ups or that once signed in, customers typically stay signed in
wrote last edited by [email protected]I’m guessing it’s business that are optimizing for number of signups instead of returning users. Which is short sighted and stupid.
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Too bad I don't give a shit. I'm not downloading an app just so i can pay my water bill
An app is the only formal written communication method I have with my apartment complex. And it's a shit app. I sent my 60 days move out notice to "management" on their app and the message went and sat in someone's inbox who no longer works there. Just give me a damn team email or something. Luckily that screw up was their fault and didn't impact my move out.
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this is a rant about microsoft
how on the fucking earth are you the biggest company and have hands down the worst login imaginable. you know for a fact people have multiple accounts for your platform, it's incredibly common to have a work specific micorosoft account after all. AND YET you lock in a specific email for login??? and you don't even put a bloody "i'd like to log in with a different email"???? oh there's a "use a different login method" button it's all okay right? wrong that button still doesn't let you change the login email! but now you can log in with a code sent to it :).
what if that """""convenience"""" you're trying to give people by checks notes, not including an incredibly common button that takes you to the default login page without a specific email baked into it, is actually an impossible pain in the ass? what if that email is someone else's and then just hit the "remember me" out of habit? go fuck yourself :). go into the browser setting and manually delete the cookies or if you can't or don't know how to do that then just fuck yourself
not to even fucking mention how if you try to log into teams desktop client app that info is going to get fucking applied to the entire windows account??? without asking about it clearly either it just fucking does that! it just fucking links to your local account instsntly
who asked for that microsoft? what deranged motherfucker in your board of directors came in high off his tits and uttered the cursed phrases needed for those feature to fucking exist?
and is that guy the only one allowed to speak? the only who's vocabulary extends past "great idea! let's do that"?
how is your user account management worse and more annoying than any virus i had?
i literally just needed to log in to someone's account once, for an hour, to substitute for them in one call. and that silly little action has taken fucking hours to undo, and all done with force "how to delete someone else's email from microsoft login"? delete your fucking cookies or team cache. "how to unlink a microsoft account from windows"? don't forget to input your pc password! dw about how we didn't ask for it when we just linked it to your local account, you need it now
oh and unlinking isn't removing, you gotta do that one too!there has been genuinely nothing else in the past decade that has made me more frustrated, more fucking seething with anger, than dealing with the fallout of needing to use someone else's microsoft account for an hour
wrote last edited by [email protected]My favourite part of Microsoft login experience:
Me: "Hi, I'd like to set up 2FA."
MS: "Sure, you can use Microsoft Authenticator on Android."
Me: "A separate app? (Grumble) Okay then."(A few years go by. I get asked to do 2FA absolutely zero times.)
Me: "...Damn, this 2FA settings page is hard to find. What happened to the app? It's no longer in Google Play."
MS: "What app?"
Me: "I believe it was called Microsoft Authenticator?"
MS: "Oh that app! It's long obsolete. Don't worry about it. You can now just use your favourite TOTP app."
Me: "Sweet! Let's set up Aegis."(Several years go by and Microsoft still hasn't asked me to use 2FA for any fucking thing)
