Why do males complain about female-led stories or too many female characters when the majority are still dominated by males?
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I think it's cool, but I also really like strong women so.......
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I know, I've even heard of pages missing from paperbacks published by reputable print houses here in sweden
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This answer could greatly benefit from explaining how the higher-level concepts like patriarchy and privilege apply to this scenario in particular
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I recommend Onward, especially if they're a little older enough to really resonate with the ending
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This is valid but I want to non-judgmentally laugh at the concept of power creep in Paw Patrol
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I've never heard anyone complain about it unless it was a remake or different from the original story.
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Essentially the general male population don’t like females, and only tolerate them as a subservient subclass who should be seen and not heard.
This is a WILD claim to make.
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You can make an argument for it mattering in the first film as well, but that starts examining the film from a lense of Ash, Weyland Yutani, and the Xenomorph being metaphors for the patriarchy.
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It's making me get into book collecting and finding older/out-of-print editions, so at least that is a silver lining.
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I mean, look at the news; there's a LARGE number of anti-DEI people out there who would say exactly what you're complaining about.
That said, Hollywood is trying Wanda and Agatha were both very diverse. She Hulk was pretty diverse, and Wednesday was pretty mixed. Even captain marvel and ms marvel tried to fill out the stands better.
Of course, it's hard to tell what's going to happen now. Will government force the hands of the show runners to reverse the trends?
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I think genre expectations can shift if we don’t draw attention to them.
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I'm talking about my feeling from watching them and about the design of the aliens, this might have been unintentional initially in the first movie.
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I don't know. I live a good female lead. Ripley, Furiosa, Marge Gunderson. There's so many, that's just the first three that come to mind. Half the time when I'm playing Fallout, it's female characters.
There are definitely bad female leads in things, too. Just like there are bad male leads. Like, Borderlands 3, basically unplayable. I never finished it. And I really want to be clear, the characters aren't bad because they are women, they are bad due to poor writing. That game had such potential, but it felt like the script was written entirely by highschoolers.
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Is a nice site if you want to expand into Nordic/Swedish books in your collection
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Thanks! A great one is also BookFinder - there are a few versions of it, I know .com and .de and I'm sure there are others.
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This is really well written and I agree with a lot of your points...but when I read "as far back as the early 2000s" I felt about 100 years old.
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I see your nuance better now. I'm saying that diversity is not a qualifier for total artistic value. I believe it is okay to tell flawed stories as art. I do not believe that all stories should be flawed, they should be an exception not the rule.
This is where we are likely strongly aligned versus any potential for difference. I believe telling better stories is the failure of the entertainment industry. There are plenty of better stories to tell. The real prejudice is happening by the cowardice of choosing misogynistic stories to tell. Really, there is not enough value placed on the big picture abstract overview. People are playing with the trees when they should be managing the forest. Old familiar stories with foundations built in an era of a lack of diversity are ripe to abandon for a new era of better stories.
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You may want to look up the study “Speaker sex and perceived apportionment of talk” for a potential explanation of why this could be happening.
Basically, psychologists did a study where they asked participants to rate excerpts from a play. They started by attempting to control for male and female “role” bias from the script itself; They had students read the scripts with “A” and “B” listed as the speakers, and try to determine the sex of the characters in the play. So this gave them a baseline on the socially perceived gender of the script.
Next, they had actors perform the script, and took some recorded excerpts to play for participants. The excerpts had a male and female actor, and the participants needed to rate how long the believed the excerpt was, and how much they believed each actor spoke, from 0%-100% of the conversation. So for instance, if they believed the female actor spoke 40% of the time, they would list 40 for her and 60 for the male actor.
Virtually every single participant (both male and female) over-estimated the female actor’s participation to some degree. Female participants were closer to reality, but male participants were pretty far off. Some of the male participants began saying the woman was an equal contributor when she was only speaking ~30% of the time. Interestingly, these numbers were closer to reality (not totally accurate, but closer) when they flipped the actors’ roles and had the female actor performing the “male” part (determined by the earlier script reads) of the script. So societal role expectation does play some part in the determination... But it’s not the entire reason.
It could be a large part of why so many terminally online men pipe up about “feminism is ruining my hobbies” whenever more than a token woman is added to media. Because many men genuinely feel like women are an equal contributor when they’re only a small fraction. Does it excuse the behavior? Absolutely not. But it could at least begin to explain it.
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Thanks for the site
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Because -isms exist in a binary world (sexism, racism, etc...)
Any increase in visibility for whatever minority they happen to hate, is a decrease in visibility for them (in their feeble transactional little minds) and it drives them bonkers.
