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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

    Does that also apply to hypothetical martian settlements?
    If people ever technically managed to live on mars.

    There's definitely no higher life on mars (or we would have already found it), and it's also unlikely that there's any life at all - not even microbial life (due to an absence of liquid water on the surface).

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    Yes? I'm not so optimistic about humans becoming interplanetary, but if it were to happen, I'd make noise to try and limit any human settlement. I'd argue that if humans want so badly to be off this rock, they can make space arcologies designed around themselves rather than inserting themselves where they ought not be and fucking up wherever they land.

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    • darkdemize@sh.itjust.worksD [email protected]

      Trump and MAGA are regressive. They are hell-bent on taking this country back to the first half of the 20th century, in all the worst possible ways.

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      Huh. Mid 20th century? But that’s when America transitioned to relatively high and progressive income taxes instead of relying on tariffs. It’s also when massive state spending on education lead to a large chunk of Americans being able to care about something other than themselves, a precursor to progressivism in America and the civil rights movement.

      If anything, I think Americans appear to want to go back to the Gilded Age, known for its massive inequality, corruption, and excessive-wealth-flaunting.

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        I'm far left, but I believe that any citizen should be allowed to own any gun.

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        I know who told you leftists don't like guns, we like guns plenty. It's liberals who don't like guns. I left us know sometimes you got to throw a bomb into the carriage of a tzar. Well left his nose when you go on strike you should bring a gun with you, cuz the Liberals going to try to use the National Guard to murder you.

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          That intellectual property, both copyright or patents, doesn't serve its theoretical purpose and just acts as a legal shield for the monopolies of big corporations, at least in our capitalistic system, and it limits the spread of information

          In theory, a musician should be protected against abuse of their music. In practice, all musicians need to be on Spotify through one of the few main publishers to make any decent money, and their music will be used for unintended purposes (intended for their contract at least) like AI training

          In theory, patents should allow a small company with an idea to sell its progressive product to many big corporations. In practice, one big corporation will either buy the small company or copy the product and have the money to legally support its case against all evidence, lobbying to change laws too. Not to mention that big corporations are the ones that can do enough research to have relevant patents, it's much harder for universities and SMEs, not to mention big corporations can lobby to reduce public funding to R&D programs in universities and for SMEs.

          And, last but not least important, access to content, think of politically relevant movies or book, depends on your income. If you are from a poorer country, chances are you cannot enjoy as much information and content as one born in a richer country.

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          And to add to that, scientific papers should be published in open-access journals, instead of Wileys et al.

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            I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

            Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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            the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business

            Any details?

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            • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

              I don't like extreme leftists (they live in a bubble) but they've been right about everything and they are our best chance at resolving economic disparity

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              Doesn't sound like they live in a bubble, then.

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                It seems like the atmosphere is changing now but I've been saying this for years.

                The language of privilege is backwards and counter productive.

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                what does that mean?

                language of privilege

                i've never heard that phrase

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                • J [email protected]

                  Transgender people in many states are probably not happy about the DMV. (I'm Canadian and cis so I may not understand this much.)

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                  That's not anything to do with the running of the DMV though, I mean now when you go the process is smooth and on time, when it used to be a mess. They made it so most of the stuff you used to have to go wait all day to do, can now be done by appointment at the tax collector office, it's a huge and very organized process. The employees there don't make the rules, the bigotry is a different problem and comes from the state not the county.

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                  • T [email protected]

                    Sometimes people are that rabid they need to be removed from existence

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                    can you name any example? and also, who's the judge? can somebody else decide you're too rabid for their opinion?

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                      Can't care about your neigbors when you still have to worry about your own mouth to feed.

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                      Nonsense -- people frequently help others even during disasters, wars, and other precarious times.

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                        Abortion is not a moral hazard at all. Most people who might exist don't. The whole "everyone agrees abortion is awful..." shit is obnoxious. I legitimately do not care. I am far more concerned about the lives of actual children. Once we seriously tackle that issue, we can move downstream.

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                        "everyone agrees abortion is awful…"

                        that doesn't make them right btw. hitler was democratically elected too; the majority isn't always right.

                        Do they present any actual arguments? That's what would be interesting, because that is something that can be discussed.

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                          There can be too much political correctness at times.

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                          I do feel like arguing semantics at almost all times steals some energy from the movement overall

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                            I am aware of this. It's functionally no different than a dollar bill. The fact that I intend to melt down an axe after I use it to chop a tree down doesn't make it not an axehead. If I used that same axe to hack my neighbor to death, well, that's a completely different use. In the case of communist 'money', I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

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                            It’s functionally no different than a dollar bill.

                            In the case of communist ‘money’, I think we would cease using money to kill our neighbor.

                            Seems like a big difference to me

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                              I believe a person is their brain, and without a brain or equivalent construct, you have no moral weight. This is why I believe it's okay to eat plants. Bacteria, too, are outside of my moral horizon. Foetuses (in the first few weeks at least) similarly are okay to abort.

                              By brain I don't mean intelligence, just capacity for conscious feeling. I think stupid people are just as capable of feeling pain as smart people, so both are weighted similarly morally to me.

                              It seems reasonable to assert that a single neural cell is not enough on its own to produce consciousness, or if so then it's hardly any. So animals with trivial neural systems are less worthy than humans too. And so on up to large mammals with developed minds in a gradient. Some animals like elephants and whales might be capable of more feeling than humans, and together with their long lifespan might be worth more QALYs than a human altogether.

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                              I see how that could feel right. It doesn't make sense to me personally though.

                              Is consciousness different from the ability to experience? If they are different what separates them, and why is consciousness the one that gets moral weight? If they are the same then how do you count feelings? Is it measured in real time or felt time? Do psychedelics that slow time make a person more morally valuable in that moment? If it is real time, then why can you disregard felt time?

                              What about single celled organisms like stentor coeruleus that can learn? Why are they below the bar for consciousness?

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                                I suppose to me, one's moral weight is in their mind. If someone has no mind -- such as a brain-dead patient -- then they aren't really a person. Seeing as there's no reason to believe there's an immediate jump in neural development in a baby at the moment of birth, I do not believe it's a special moment for the baby in a moral accounting sense. So I don't think the baby becomes more intrinsically worthy of life at the precise moment it draws its first breath.

                                (For the parent, of course, it is a special moment, and in particular new options are available outside of the keep-or-abort dichotomy.)

                                As for being an individual, I don't really see how the child's autonomy is relevant. It's still fully dependent on its parents and society and could not function on its own.

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                                I suppose to me, one’s moral weight is in their mind.

                                The problem that i see with that is the following: Assume a child has little neural activity (which, btw, is not true at all; children and newborns often have higher neural activity than grown-ups), but assume for a moment that a child had little neural activity, and therefore would be less worthy of preservation.

                                Now, somebody who has migraine, or has repeated electrical shocks in their brain, might be in a lot of pain, but has probably more neural activity than you. Would you now consider that since they have more neural activity, they are more worthy of life than you are? And what if you and that other person would be bound to the tracks of a trolley problem? Wouldn't it then be the ethical thing to kill you because you have less neural activity?

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                                  I agree with my mom. 25 years is good.

                                  For context she said that when I wasn’t 25 yet.

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                                  I agree with the following: If your mother tries to kill you, and dies themselves instead as a result of the conflict, they have no right to complain.

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                                    It's less 'too much pc' and more 'purity politics' imo

                                    There's a great post on tumblr that really fuckin' nailed it:

                                    "The trannies should be able to piss in whatever toilet they want and change their bodies however they want. Why is it my business if some chick has a dick or a guy has a pie? I'm not a trannie or a fag so I don't care, just give 'em the medicine they need."

                                    "This is an LGBT safe space. Of COURSE I fully support individuals who identify as transgender and their right to self-determination! I just think that transitioning is a very serious choice and should be heavily regulated. And there could be a lot of harm in exposing cis children to such topics, so we should be really careful about when it is appropriate to mention trans issues or have too much trans visibility."

                                    One of the above statements is Problematic and the other is slightly annoying. If we disagree on which is which then working together for a better future is going to get really fucking difficult.

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                                    just a short reminder:

                                    you can post a picture of a gun on facebook, because it is only a harmless picture of a machine that is solely built to kill people. definitely nothing that shouldn't be shown in public

                                    if you do post a picture if an exposed female nipple, banned, because guess what? that's illegal

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                                    • J [email protected]

                                      I think we need to figure out how to make leftism more appealing to centrists, and particularly to the cis/straight/white/male demographic.

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                                      it will become automatically appealing to them the moment that is pays out economically for them. if they could afford more under a leftist politics, than under the current politics, people are gonna be all for it.

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                                        You don't even realize you are further proving my point and you're coming across as even more fake.

                                        I started respectfully, just as at first, you appeared to be "just another leftist with some different opinion".

                                        In reality, you're just another liberal apologists that is fine with genocide... And I am absolutely NOT going to be respectful to Zionists once your true colore are evident.

                                        Your "point" was moot to begin with because you're not leftist. But you are a fake ally ready to backstab minorities

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                                        I have no idea what point you're trying to make other than, I dunno, some crazy shit like everyone who disagrees with you is a Zionist or something?

                                        But I stand by that post, if you voted for a third party, you helped trump. If you're trying to wrap your stupidity around the plight of the Palestineans you either aren't following the news or never really cared about them in the first place.

                                        I get that this is probably the first humanitarian crisis you've seen on social media and pretended to care about but as you grow up, hopefully you'll realize there are sometimes unfortunate restrictions around your choices. While I would have loved a better option than the Dems, the choice was them or trump. If you voted third party, you helped put an administration that is absolutely hostile to them and worse than what would've been the case otherwise.

                                        Sorry if reality sucks but whining about it like a petulant child isn't going to change it or rally others to your cause.

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                                        • J [email protected]

                                          Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                          I am very very very left wing, BUT I can get really annoyed with a lot of those "on my side" advocating for the most idealist of all idealism, as if it's a contest. Feels like a competition of "who's the bestest and mostest leftist of all". You scare people away and - not justifying it - but I get why some people get upset with "the left" because of this...

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